One other thing that keeps me from posting is all the new 3d stuff that comes out. I try to stay up but it takes a lot of time to learn it. These two renders may not be exactly guro but it some of the best work I have ever done and will now be applied to some more twisted stuff. See, like the kids thread, those shaders and lights are so out of date already. Anyway, when you have the pose right and the lights right you should be able to render from any angle. there is maybe 1% fixing in gimp, these are almost exactly as they came out of the render oven