Onix, i give up. It has taken hours and I have finally found that DS is looking for a folder that does not exist, besides refusing to recognize PostgreSQL when it is installed and I changed channels to find it. I am going to start over again on my newer computer. I would really like to be able to work with the newer DAZ figures. David, V4 and M2 are getting to be old hat, even though they can be manipulated wildly and still look good.