Last, here's my 50 cents on the consensual discussion. I don't think it's hard to define non consensual.

As soon as a person says "No, stop doing that to me" it's non consensual if the other person continues.

OK, it might be some role play and then that's not true. But if it's role play the persons involved will know that it's roleplay and have agreed on safewords.

I know this is exactly the politically correct definition of non consensual that feminists will give you. I don't care about that because even politically correct opinions can also be simply right. And the feminists will still be extremeley unhappy with me because my fantasies revolve around non con.

Dear Onix, I had to laugh out loud at some of your theories about consensual rape. Yes, there is a sizable percentage of women who likes getting "raped", as it is clearly demonstrated in the very very boring bdsm movies by the label Kinky.com and others. But that is, as mentioned, roleplay, and so by definition it's not rape.

And "You probably know the basic rule that you cannot ever ask a girl if she allows you to kiss her? So this is sort or rape already ;)" Say what? What country do you live in?


And your suggestion that the CDL story was somehow consensual because the girls visited the museum of the inquisition voluntarily? Consider this: You are walking down a street with heavy traffic. Maybe you even admire some of the expensive sports cars and SUVs breaking the speed limit. And then you get run over by one of them. Would that make your death consensual?