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    Starting a new thread so the old one could still be bumped for a while.

    For newbies: Here are my three past threads:

    https://www.gurochan.cx/3dcg/res/26593.html

    https://www.gurochan.cx/3dcg/res/25081.html

    https://www.gurochan.cx/3dcg/res/11569.html
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    Darius shows her the instruments of her next torture but of course she has no idea what he plans to do with them.

    "Hijo de puta! Vete a la chingada!"
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    But when Darius grabs the hammer and places a nail against her big toe Julieta's bravado turns to concern again.

    "Que? What are you doing? You can't mean to…"
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    Of course he means to hammer the nail through her toe and into the kitchen board.
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    One by one Darius nails her other toes to the kitchen board.

    Julieta's shrieks are ear deafening.
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    >>34442
    Thanks for the update, Drabok. Love the expression of pain on Julieta's face. Maybe should spread those boards out a wee bit, so she can be properly raped after she's nailed down. Ha!
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    Great update! Really painful idea for Julieta, that should hurt a lot! And I love her attitude, even if it's short lived, it's nice to see a girl react so angry and with so much temper - different personalities make the girls more interesting, and I love to see some girls like this! I love the innocent ones who can't even imagine what's going to happen, but I also love those who show some resistance and don't break immediately.

    >>34444
    The boards aren't connected, so they just have to cut the shackles on her feet loose to rape her. Probably not going to happen anytime soon, but I doubt they would miss out on raping such a beautiful girl.
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    Mia's beautifully small developing tit buds are destroyed by the whipping. Invert the nipples Love the obvious full strength stroke.
    Nailing through the nail would be more painful? than through the bone? Julieta should consider how lucky she is! But her hymen is not going to last much longer.
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    And we still have our doctors practicing outside!
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    As a spanish native speaker, I was surprised that Julieta spoke spanish too, and it looks like mexican spanish.
    Gracias
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    Mia probably spends hours looking at her self in the mirror I trust the whipping across her face will take that smile right off. Permanent damage.
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    Tasha is so lovely!!!
    I can't wait to see her being tortured.
    So many exciting things that could be done to her in that spreadeagle position…!
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    Drabok's work only gets better and better and the girl's treatment only get harsher and harsher .

    PS: I hope Julieta's or the other girls get more of the hot iron treatment especially burnt several times on their pussy mound and between their little crotches ! one can desire right ^ ^
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    Drabok…You are a master artist !!!
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    >>34442 and >>34443
    this type of imagery gives me an instant hard on… insanely good
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    yeah beautifully cock stiffening :p
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    This might be the last of the quite quick updates for a few weeks, but I am not sure yet,

    Anyway: >>34385 Really Anonyturk, so many already? I must be crazy…
    Thanks for counting!

    >>34365 Patience Serge, patience!

    >>34446 You should trust me by now that none of my girls ever dies as a virgin. It just won't happen this evening.

    >>34453 That was a lucky coincidence then Magali because I imagined Julieta to be of Mexican origin. . I just searched for juicy Spanish swear words on google and found a site that suggested these.

    >>34488 There's a slight probability that hot irons will crop up again.

    >>34513 and >>34528 Anonymouse and Looper: I must be doing something right then. Thank you for the confirmation.
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    Oh, and I almost forgot the actual updates.

    To confuse Julieta's mind even more Darius takes a break to tenderly stroke her nipples and lick her nose.
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    Forgot to post the texts again seperarately for the last pics for Serge and other possible translator users.

    Here they are:

    373 Before he starts to nail the toes of her right foot to the other board.

    374 Hammering in the last nail so deep that he crushes her small toe with the hammer.

    375 Julieta's ordeal at the hands of Darius is still not over.

    376 He uses the big spike to secure her left foot even more firmly to the board.

    And the next pic: 377 And the right one too.
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    you teased me with 375 "he's going to nail her tit" but the intensity continued with Julieta's severe pain destroying her foot. `well done. Julieta so much needs to be raped. The claw hammer would make a half decent breast ripper
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    >>34567
    More great pics and expressions of pain. Thanks for the update, Drabok! Those spikes would really hurt!
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    Great pics again! Julieta's feet are getting completely destroyed, it's safe to say she won't be able to walk again - her feet will stay nailed to those boards for the rest of her life. And it's still just the beginning, the other guys will have their own plans for her.

    I figured already there won't be any rape for her this night, it's fine to save that for later. The plan for the dungeon girls for tonight seems pretty clear: Tasha gets raped, Mia gets whipped and the guys get creative with Julieta and Nina. And all of that is looking great so far!
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    I wanted to post some more yesterday through tor but got blocked.

    I hope I have better luck today.
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    I hope my luck keeps up for the next four pics.

    And I forgot the text for the last one:

    378 And then Julieta's wait for the next torturer starts again.
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    Nina's next visitor is Eric.

    "Hey, your tits look so pretty with those needles stuck into them. Every young girl should wear needles all the time!"
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    "You know what will look even better? Some nails!"
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    "You see, as a kid I always wanted to be a carpenter."
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    "But my dad told me I was not good enough with my hands to become a carpenter."
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    "So I became a policeman instead."
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    wow
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    I didn't expect to see another update today, glad it worked eventually!

    The Tor problems are annoying, it can take a few tries to find an exit node that works with this blacklist, and I'm only doing that for one post at a time, it's worse for you.
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    >>34589
    Thanks for the pics, Drabok. The blood on Julieta, particularly the bit dripping from her nose, looks so realistic! Great work! We non-artists don't know what "tor" problems are but good luck with it!
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    Jajaja!! Too bad to be a carpenter…, so he's a policeman!
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    >>34602
    Tor has nothing to do with being an artist: torproject.org
    It's a way to browse the internet as anonymously as possible. Considering the nature of this content, Drabok probably uses it every time he posts on this site.

    The current problems: When this site came back last year, it had a blacklist for certain IP addresses added that were automatically banned from posting. This blacklist includes Tor exit nodes, which are the IP addresses you get when you use Tor. This would prevent you from using Tor to post on this site, at least in theory. In reality the blacklist they use is using an outdated list of Tor exit nodes, meaning there are a lot of exit nodes not on this list. So we can still use Tor to post on this site, but it's annoying because we might get an error message if our current exit node is on that blacklist, then we have to get a new Tor connection and hope the new exit node is not on the blacklist. Usually it takes 2 or 3 tries, but sometimes it can take much longer.
    We asked the admins to change that and they did. But then recently someone used Tor repeatedly to spam illegal stuff on this site, and it seems the admins found no better way to deal with that than to turn this blacklist back on. And they probably manually banned some IP addresses the spammer used too, and since those were all Tor exit nodes, we might end up with one of those banned IP addresses as well.
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    >>34608
    Ganymed, thanks so much for explaining that. Much appreciated.
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    Hi Drabok and the rest. I feel a little out of place here, since blood and gore turns me off (about like you said of scat and pee, where we agree). I hadn’t seen this place (gurochan) at all before, but I came across a couple of VERY interesting 3dcg pics that turned me on. I knew there must be others in a series, but months of looking around turned up nothing. Finally in desperation, without expecting anything, I searched for images of “Darla” with safe search off, and to my joy - well, here I am.

    For over twenty years, I have created images of “girls age 4 to 12 who are usually, but not always, naked, humiliated, helpless, terrified, crying, and either screaming or gagged.” but all of my images are painted with WORDS, with only an occasional small image of an object or setting, like a whip, skirt, or trees. From the time I first saw 3dcg images that almost fit my kinks, I have wished for some way to find a skillful artist (such as Drabok!) who had both the skill and the desire to render some of my favorite scenes in my stories. We have a huge overlap in our likes, even if your illustrated stories, and especially illustrations, include things I dislike, and you tend toward a higher age range. After all, I DID get here searching for Darla! I also discovered that you are the creator of several other images I really liked, particularly the girl in detention. And, after all, my stories are set in a fantasy world that has a magazine called BR&T Magazine.

    ps://www.asstr.org/~GeorgiePorgie/brat.htm

    I’ve looked at the Summer Camp series and I REALLY loved Jessica, including her lovely body, the frame she’s under, the action, her terror and helplessness, and (sorry, gurochanners) the fact that she wasn’t cut or mutilated, let alone killed. I was wondering if you’d mind me borrowing that frame as an illustration in one or more of my stories if it fits?

    Oh god I’d love to see what you could do with some of the characters in my stories, and scenes, if you were inspired to do so.

    GP
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    >>34632
    I love the BR&T and related series! Been following your stuff for years, now. I've actually thought about similarities in your stories to this work for some time.
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    Awesome work on these two, but a couple of glitches you might want to fix.

    >>30276 look again at the manacle on her left wrist. There’s nothing holding up her left arm.

    >>30279 look again at the manacle on her right wrist. Something came undone.

    Take it as a compliment that I’m looking that closely at these!
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    >>34635 Wow, I never expected to find a fan of my stories here, or anywhere else for that matter. Since this is GUROchan, and my stories are definitely off-topic here, and I wouldn’t want to hijack a thread for Drabok’s awesome artwo- uh, I mean pornography - by discussing my stories here (except as they relate to the possibility of him doing more artw- pornography), does anyone have a good suggestion for an alternative location for such a discussion?
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    There is certainly some overlap among fans here, GP. I have also read most of your stories before I even found Drabok. There are obviously some differences in our taste, I prefer the older age range Drabok uses for his girls and I might be one of the most vocal Drabok fans who likes to see the stories of those girls to end with their death, so obviously I sometimes wished for more extreme stuff to happen. But I still have enjoyed your stories a lot and I can only recommend them, I think every Drabok fan who isn't here specifically for the snuff scenes might enjoy your stories.

    I would love to see illustrations for some scenes from your stories. Even if Drabok doesn't have the time to do that, maybe some of your ideas can inspire him to do something similar in his own stories.

    And Jessica seems to be an universal favorite among us. Her scene is still one of my favorites in this story, I just want to see stuff in her future you probably don't want to see.
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    >>34637
    Maybe you should post a few stories or just link to your page on the lit board.

    Although speaking about your stories, looks like your main fetish is girls begging not to hurt them rather then being actually tortured LOL
    I think you could write captions for Drabok's pictures to add that extra begging fetish component.
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    >>34640 I know I don’t have the guro chops to post here in the first place, and I can understand how someone coming from a guro perspective could get that impression from reading a few of my stories, but I think that’s a bit of an exaggeration. I’ve had people coming from the opposite side tell me they’re only interested in the girl’s humiliation, but "you just want to whip and beat them." An artist / pornographer like Drabok (to keep this relevant to this thread) has access to trillions of facial expressions, but as a writer I’m limited to a few hundred words with which to try to convey the girl’s emotions: desperation, helplessness, torment, despair, terror, and PAIN. Porbably the most effective way to do that is through what she says. Besides, it always seems more realistic to me for a girl to scream (I love sounding out her screams - I’ve been accused of focusing on that, too) and, yes, to beg, when she’s "getting what she deserves." If you want to try a story that could give you a different impression, I recommend "Little Nicole’s Day at the Farm" - I don’t think there’s a single "please don’t hurt me" in the whole thing.
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    >>34647
    Well, I am not complaining but just stating my observation ;)As this seems to be your main interest.
    But maybe yes, it is not completely about begging it is more about girls being and feeling helpless in general.
    Although when I read more of your stuff, it seems to be interesting in some other aspects and now it for me starts resembling "the story of O" loli version. as your girls re not really in any danger, just experiencing mild inconvenience. (that rape therapy is practically a direct ripoff of "the Story of O" LOL it seems to be even pretty consensual )
    Eventually, it looks like your stories are not really that evil just some pretty innocent BDSM. I almost can see tome love in them. ;)

    While Drabok focuses more on the torture process and pretty much every girl dies a horrible death in the end. I think only 3 survived in all of his 3d artist carrier ;)
    I actually have no interest in all that hate stuff and suffering but I like the action itself in his pictures and they are so over the top that it is even funny to look at those horrible tortures.

    So you do not really have that much overlap after all.
    But after more close examination you seem to have some overlap with my interests and if you want you can ask me to make some illustrations for your stories because it is pretty easy to do.
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    Seems to be an open Tor node.

    OK.

    >>34608 Thank you for answering the tor question on mmy behalf Ganymed.

    >>34632 and >>34651

    GP: Feel free to use everything I've produced and that you like. Yes, there is some overlap, at last until, I am proceeding to my more extreme fantasies. The whippings and stuff are really only a prelude to that. And if I were better at it, they would probably involve even more blood and gore.

    So Onix is quite right: There is not that much overlap in reality.

    So I won't illustrate your stories for the foreseeable future, sorry. But that's not just because of the content of your stories, which actually have given me sveral hard ons.

    When I create my own stories I can do them based on characters, poses and props that I have or "special effects" that I am quite positive I can do. I have tried to start stories based on texts by Woodburn, Alocer Loki, Serum (all on Asstr too) and even the Marquis de Sade but quickly found out they were still beyond my current skills.

    Trying to do other peoples stories even if I can do the tortures would be much more time consuming than my own stories (not to mention costly), because I would have to find scenery, characters and so on to fit the story that do not have.

    But GP, if you don't mind, I might lend some of you "Please don't hurt me" variations for my own stories because honestly I am running out of ideas for that.

    And now, after all this talking, how about some new pictures?
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    Oh damn, forgot to post the texts separately again.

    The two previous ones:

    385 "Your tits are too small, there's no space for more nails you fucking bitch! I'll put the last two into your eyeballs"

    386 "Just kidding, I don't want to blind you. Yet. There are still so many cruel things for you to see tomorrow.

    But you better keep your mouth open wide now. These are going through you cheeks and you don't want me to knockout your teeth.!"

    And for this one: "And the other nail. I don't think you have ever looked prettier in your life Nina, you should really be thankful to me!"
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    The last one today. And I can't believe I forgot the text again!

    So 388: Eric, without a doubt, is a real sadistic asshole.

    But perhaps, dear viewers, he might have a point about how sexy Nina looks right now, waiting for her next torturer?

    And this one: Aaron is using his favourite tool on Mia, the cat o' nine tails.

    "This mus be so great for you Mia, you stupid catholic slut. Tomorrow you are going to be crucified. And tonight you get a chance to relive all of Jesus' pain before he was nailed to the cross!"
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    >>34657
    hehe you got soft ;) only putting those nails in her cheeks practically doing no harm. reminds me those video on youtube ;) Although she ended with a lot of needles in her titties I never had enuogh patience to make that many copies.

    I already thought that they will really go in her eyes ;) she really got scared here and even for me the idea of putting nails in the eyes looked more horrible than filling her belly with 20 knives ;)
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    Great action with the nails! there are certainly still nails left for the nose!:)
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    >>34654 Hmm. The one I thought I had the most overlap with, and hoped that he’d be interested in picking a scene or two from my stories, says there isn’t much overlap in reality, while the one whose work I’ve seen (magic show and a few others) and wasn’t excited about says there’s overlap with him and offers to illustrate my stories, while saying things I find completely different from how I see my stories.

    Did you both think >>17310 and >>22688 were my favorites? Neither one are even in my top 100 of Drabok’s work. Try >>28533 and >>16676 instead, which I’d put on my wall as life-size posters if that wasn’t such an idiotic idea in this world.

    I’m willing to let Onix try some scenes if he’s willing, but I’m a little skeptical that someone who thinks the girls in my stories are “inconvenienced” by something happening to them that’s “not all that evil” could get the expressions of terror, despair, anguish, and desperation to look the way I imagine them, while I’m absolutely certain Drabok could, because he has, numerous times (see previous links).

    Anyway, I think I’ll move this discussion to another thread by uploading something I’ve been inspired to work on - an image, not text - and ask that further discussion of my stories wait until I’ve done so. I don’t want to hijack anyone else’s thread.
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    the guys had better be aware with Nina's mouth full of nail they might cut their dicks when throating her. Still plenty of head left to nail
    Would like her punched in the face as well… Great
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    >>34673
    That's interesting, because as much as I looked over your stories none of them fits those pictures you mentioned.
    Do you really want a poster of the girl with her teeth ripped out or missing a few fingers, or whipped to the level where her skin starts to come off, dripping blood from the wounds?
    There is no guarantee that I will be interested in doing pictures for you either I just said that I find something interesting in your stories and it is worth discussing. So we will see it on another thread.
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    Drabok, you master teaser. I really thought Nina was going to be blinded by those nails. Intead of torturing her (and her lovely pierced tits), you tortured us. Keep the awesome images coming
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    we had Mercedes eyes out 29974 and there is plenty of time for Nina yet. I would love the hammer to be used more as well. Desperate to see Nina raped. Want the cum flowing as well.
    Then the nails can be used on the clit?
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    Sidetracked discussion of hoping to find someone who wants to illustrate some scenes in my stories continues in >>34684, thank you.
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    >>34660
    It must be said, Nina does have a cute little "bush," though I fear she was a wee bit sloppy while shaving. Haha! For god sake, someone has to fill her and Julieta fulla' cum before they're too torn up!
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    >>34654 Interesting to see which authors you considered as inspiration. I couldn't find much from Woodburn and nothing from Serum when I looked for them. Alocer Loki I remember, might be my favorite author over there, I read all his stories I could find - and I can see lots of similarities (though there was some scat in most of his stories, the only thing I didn't like about them). And I still think some scenes in GP's stories can be a good inspiration, either to do some creative warm up scenes before things turn more extreme, or there might be possible modifications to make them more extreme. But it's been a while since I read those stories, I'd have to do that again to have a better idea what scenes might work. And overall I think your stuff is great when you just use ideas like that as inspiration and modify it however it fits best for you, no need to exactly replicate something. Pretty much every time you did something inspired by one of my ideas or the ideas of anybody else, I liked the result more than the idea itself.

    Anyway, back to the pictures. You're teasing us again with Nina's eyes! I remember reading something similar at the beginning of the CDL story, when Malcolm promised Darla he would "let her keep her pretty eyes, for now", and I was always looking forward to the time when he would change that. And then that unfortunately never happened. I hope this time it will happen, eventually - I can wait, but I would really love to see her lose her eyes (without immediately dying, unlike Mercedes, so she can "enjoy" being blind for a while)!
    Either way, what happened with the nails was very cruel too, it's already more than a warmup session for Nina, and that was only her second torturer!
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    Oh man, even what seems to be an unblocked tor exit can be blocked after a few minutes.

    Anyway; >>34696 Ganymed, Woodburn's stories used to be in the snuffstories collection on Asstr.org. That seems to be dead by now but they can still be found here: ps://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/ftp.asstr.org/pub/Collections/snuffstories/Woodburn%20Stories

    Apart from Alocer Loki they are the cruelest stories I have ever read.

    Serum's real nick was Serum141 I think but I can't find any of his stories any more on Asstr or anywhere else.
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    "But let me say this: >>34684 That's a real nice use of one of my pics. Thanks GP."

    Wow, you're welcome, and thanks for creating that picture in the first place, since I wouldn't have thought of doing that without something that good to put there.

    As for the too-long discussion, I'll summarize for you. Onix: GP, the girls in your stories are practically in heaven, despite a few mild inconveniences like getting raped. They all seem to like it, anyway. GP: (once I got my jaw off the floor) Huh?? Ganymed: It seems to me that GP's stories have much more in common with Drabok's work than with Onix's work. GP: I agree completely. If I can't get Drabok to reconsider, I doubt anyone else could do what I hoped for.

    Now on to other things relevant to this thread: Wow, would you believe that your Disposed Girls series turned on someone who never ever before would have even looked at a hanging? AND made me reconsider the attractiveness of breasts!? The blond in the first pair is a couple years past what I thought was my age limit, and I still don't find the actual hanging to add anything for me, but she's somehow inexplicably a total turn-on to me in >>28242 and especially >>28243 !

    I have a suggestion for you to consider, of adding one more image to the series, if it's possible to do. The text in >>28242 says "The two victims have seen a lot of other girls executed from the windows in their prison cells." What would be great right then is a view FROM a prison cell window, perhaps with the back of the head of a girl in the cell, of the two girls below standing on the white Xs as in 28242. They've seen it done to other girls, and now the remaining girls are seeing THEM standing there.

    I can't believe I'm talking in a positive way about a series about hanging. What have you done to me?
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    >>34760
    Thx for the link to Woodburns stories! I don't think I've read those before, and what I read so far seems pretty good. And just like Alocer Loki very similar to your work, the cruelty is just on another level than in stories by other authors.
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    And a few new ones.
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    First of all thank you for taking the time and effort to post two corrections. Much obliged.
    But ehh….. what the f*ck happened to Tasha's labia? Did I miss something? when did those 'Torture Galaxy'-like needles get there?
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    And by the way, thank you for posting on my birthday ;-)
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    Happy birthday Timon!

    What you see as needles is actually cum one of her previous visitors left o her stomach.
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    Whitch prooves that liquids and hair keep being difficult to emulate….
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    I also started looking for those "needles" but it was pretty obvious cum even if it somewhat resembles needles ;)
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    If you zoom in, you can clearly recognize them as cum stains. They just randomly might look like needles at first, but I didn't even see anything else than cum stains until I saw the comment.
    The pics are looking great as always!
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    Which proves once again: a dirty mind is a joy forever…. ;-)
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    The easiest way to deal with this is to scoop the cum up with the finger and shove it into the cunt where it belongs - or down her throat or use it as lubricant for buggering her
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    What I was thinking in >>34790 is perfectly demonstrated in the next two pictures, the corrected ones. In >>34844 and others, we got a great look at her from behind in nice bright sunlight, but every time we’ve seen her from the front, like in >>34836, she’s in shadow. Having her walk like I said would give us a great view of her from all sides, including when she’s facing the sun. Plus I want to see her with her legs forced spread wide, in the best light possible, best camera angle possible, before the fun starts.
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    I don’t want to delay what’s already in progress, but something I couldn’t help noticing, from a year and a half ago. In >>20627 Fanny (the blond) has her wrists tied with ropes, but in >>20628 they’re gone, when they should have been visible. In >>20873 I wonder if she’s eyeing the door the guys came in, and wondering what her chances are if she made a break for it. Go, Fanny! What’s the worst that could happen? Oh… right. Better stay put.
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    >>34696 Ganymed, I want Nina to see what will happen to her on the next day of the story But I am open to take out some future girls eyes.

    >>34663 Onix, I think nails hammered through the cheeks are a lot more painful than some needles. I definitely would not want that to be done to me! But then maybe I AM going soft.

    >>34762 Hi GP, thank you for the summary. A view from a prison window would be possible, but quite a lot of work, and the scene in the courtyard would be very small from that distance.

    >>34903 Drabokfan, I kind of like it that the girls are not always in full light and for the outside scenes I think it's kind of important not to change the direction of the light drastically.
    The walk to an execution place is a good idea. My problem with that right now is quite simple where they should go to. I don't have another scenery that looks similar enough to the lakeside hut scenery. And while that looks quite big, it stops looking good as soon as you move away too far away from the hut and the pier.
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    >>34910
    I think nails hammered through the cheeks are a lot more painful than some needles. I definitely would not want that to be done to me! But then maybe I AM going soft.

    Well at least they went in her cheeks ;) I am even scared to imagine if they were hammered in her eyes ;)

    But I think cheeks are not that pain sensitive either.
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    At least the inside is sensitive. Have you ever bitten the inside of your cheek by accident?

    Anyway, where was I in the story? Oh yes, here.
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    >>34910 Ah well, I guess it doesn't have to be Nina. On the one hand, teasing not just to us but also to her that she would lose her eyes would be on theme with the way things are going for her, on the other hand it might be more fitting if she doesn't just get told what's going to happen to her but can also see it.
    Losing her eyes was part of my request for another girl a while ago, so I hope when it's time for her that will be part of her torture. But it can certainly be done to more than just one girl - it can be part of the finish for a girl, and I think that's what I had in mind at the time, but now I think letting a girl live without eyes for a while might be just as interesting.
    Not just for the actual torture of taking out her eyes, though that's part of it and hard to imagine how horrible that would be, but also for the psychological aspect: Knowing you will never see anything again is pretty rough. And of course, not seeing what's coming can be some added terror in itself - blindfolds do a good job with that, but permanently blinding a girl can work that way too.

    It's also a way to expand those little games they are playing with the girls: Out of those three tortured girls, Julieta is the one getting the least information, but she still gets to see what's happening to her. The next level would be a girl who doesn't even get to see anything. Though that would admittedly work best with a blindfold, starting a torture session by taking out her eyes is a bit extreme.
    But it could work if a girl has her first torture session and loses her eyes in the end of that, then she has one night to come to terms with the fact that she is now blind, and then in her next torture session she doesn't get any information at all, she can't see anything, she isn't told anything and she just has to experience all the horrible stuff without any warning at all. Or maybe a scene with two girls, one who has lost her eyes and one who can't talk, and the seeing girl has to watch how the blind one is lead into doing things that will have a horrible outcome for both of them.

    Another idea I had, kinda related to that and also all those needles: You could sew something shut. For example the eyes, that's not as permanent as taking them out, but much worse than just a blindfold. Or the mouth, that would shut a girl up just like a gag, while being much more painful. Or the pussy, that would mostly be very painful, but probably not what we want to stay shut for very long - although ripping it open again should also be really painful.

    And while I was thinking about all that, you posted the next batch. Great pics! I was wondering if we would return to Rica anytime soon.
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    What? this girl is going top survive?
    otherwise I think you missed opportunity of the joke where getting beaten to death woud be the thing she woud be begging to happen if she knew what is going to happen later ;)



    but speaking about torture ideas I with nice bloody outcomes
    how about using this "medical" device (we even have 3 versions)
    https://www.sharecg.com/v/86086/related/21/DAZ-Studio/Pear-O-Anguish
    https://sharecg.com/v/75581/gallery/11/Poser/Choke-Pear-prop
    https://www.sharecg.com/v/75577/gallery/21/DAZ-Studio/Pear-of-anguish


    put it in someone's butt or pussy and spread it until it will rip apart and won't close anymore
    maybe those medical students would love to practice some proctology LOL
    and I would love to see few ruined holes ;)


    >>34920
    I doubt if he will do sewing because that requires a decent amount of work
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    >>34910
    I hadn’t thought of the scenery problem. Could a solution be behind the lakeside cabin? It wouldn’t be as far to make her go, but even one pic would satisfy my main desire of seeing her facing the sun, helpless and exposed, clinging to a slim hope, struggling to walk at all. I wasn’t suggesting changing the direction of the light, just turning her around to face it, to give us more views of her. She’s too pretty to stay in the shadows! I hope behind the cabin is within the scenery area, and keeps the final sight hidden until she comes around the corner and we get to see her face (and everything else) as she sees what’s waiting.
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    Finally we are back with Rica, I love to see her suffer! It's getting more serious now, and I have the suspicion her new position is not to make it easier for her, but more to make it easier for them to rape her. That wouldn't have worked very well with her hanging upside down.

    I liked most of the recent ideas: Walk to an execution seems great if you can figure out the technicalities, and Jessica is an amazing girl to spend more time with. Psychological games with a blind girl should be interesting too. Sewing is also something I would like to see, if it's not too much work - you could even sew some body parts like tits together too, or two different girls. Pear of anguish is a nice tool, if you can make what it does look good. I have seen drawings with complicated tools like that doing a lot of internal damage, but you can't really show internal damage in 3D.
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    My favourite girl is Tasha.
    I find her so lovely!
    And so wonderful to see her tied in that open position!
    Hope to see much more about her torment!
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    Really awesome renders Drabok. Look forward to more pics, would be cool if your works inspire some animators to bring scenes like this to virtual life.
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    Yes, would be cool to see some of these tortures and rapes animated. Perhaps using free and open source software.

    Drabok, would you consider making the models, scenery and objects available to other people who would like to have a go at it?
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    >>34920 and others, concerning sewing. I don't think the Genesis 3 character models for Daz3D are detailed enough for the deformations sewing would require, neither in the lips, tits nor cuntlips. But I hope somebody will prove me wrong!?

    It probably could be done exporting the characters to some more sophisticated program, but as Onix has mentioned before, I am just too lazy for using any other program right now.

    >>34929 Thank you for the links to these props, they are very tempting to use sometime later.

    And Rica will die. Just not just now. Her fate is following Killerfox's suggestions from some time ago, just not with all the intricacies.

    >>35003 I would obviously also love to see animations in my style of sadistic action. But if somebody wanted to do even short clips with Daz3D I think that would take a lot more more skill and effort than I am putting into my pictures. Not to mention adding a suitable soundtrack, without which an animation would be strange.

    >>35009 WombRaper, I would not mind sharing these resources in principle. But, and it's a big butt:I can't actually do that.

    I know this is not easy to understand if you do not know how Daz3D or poser work: Daz3D is free but it is not open source. And almost all the 3D-models for it are proprietary. People make and sell them for money and they are the base of all I do. They are in my so called Runtime for Daz3D.

    A scene that I or others make actually only contains poses, placement, lighting and other variations that are made to these basic models.

    So I could share some of my scene files and some texture add-ons that I made but anybody who would want to use them would have to have gotten or bought the exact same scenery props, characters, expressions and morphs that I have. And for each pic that would be a list of dozens of items.

    But now: Yeah, here's some more of the Summer Camp Massacre.
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    The first sentence of my last post should have read "for the tiny deformations sewing would require."
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    >>35003 again. Similar style animations might be more easily possible with sfm though, although I have no idea what that 3D-software can really do.
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    Great pictures again! It was about time for Rica to get raped. I had to look twice, they actually secured her to the bed, so she shouldn't be able to get away while they are gone.

    And for Julieta and us it's a cliffhanger and a little guessing game what might happen. Those pliers look like they could either rip out nails or teeth, either way it should be very painful. And both are things I like to see!

    If you could do the sewing it would be great, but I can't really help with any technical issues. And I couldn't find any sewing in any other pics yet, so maybe nobody has done it before.
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    >>35020
    Glad to see pretty Rica finally tasted some meat. If she wakes up and dumps the mattress, Rica might actually be able to carry that flimsy bed frame off into the woods someplace. Of course, the two guys would be pissed and she would suffer, if they managed to find her.
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    Great Rica rape. The sperms in her cunt can go looking for an egg. The guys can use her as toilet also.
    Aaron looks ready to at least penetrate Julieta's cunt. Love to see Julieta loose soon teeth but rip into a tit and rip her clit off
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    and I trust with each ejaculation the medics punched and beat Rica's poor damaged tits
    Rica does not know how lucky she is been raped on a bed I would have made it rocks and earth - no comfort. Chained to the bed anybody passing can dump a load even a passing dog. The guys can bring back waste food from the restaurant and shove it into the worthless body. haha great thanks
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    Those pliers look just great!!!
    Hope Julieta is going to appreciate them properly!!
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    Your threads are the best art I have seen in all my life!
    Thank you Drabok!
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    Thank you everybody and let's continue.
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    And here I thought he might just remove her nails, I didn't think Julieta would lose her fingers here! That's great, it's not just very painful, it's also very permanent - even if she would somehow survive all of this, her fingers are gone forever.

    For Nina it's getting hot, and she is tied up in a way that makes it impossible to get away from the flames at all.

    Great pictures as always!
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    Red hot update Fantastic. Nina will have a little bush fire to worry about! As time passes the bruises will develop around their injuries. Love the detail on Julieta's tits
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    I bow for the master…..
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    >>35129
    LOL since she is not going to survive that much longer it does not matter at all how much fingers she will lose;)

    Although I think it would be more interesting if she lost not just fingers but hands and legs and then she was released ;)

    And looks like vacation ended for Nina now she will face some serious pain I think she will now forget her needle phobia. LOL
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    Julieta's fingers will need to be cauterize with a red hot iron to stop the bleeding and ironically another from of torture burning her already inflamed fingers !

    PS: do focus some harsh torture on tier pussies too pls ^^
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    I liked the CDL version more - with the broken fingers. That was very nice. Just had a look at it the other day. Still beautiful.
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    >>35128
    Thanks for the great update, Drabok. I was thinking the same thing as titkicker this time. Burned pubic hair might be interesting. The candle could also be used to heat those nails and needles causing some sizzling.
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    >>35130 A bush fire! A great idea! Although they are quite dangerous where I live. Because I have made quite a few future picture where Nina's bush is still intact it will have to wait a while, bit it will come.

    >>35167 Cauterizing her fingers. How obvious! Arran completely forgot but Julieta's next visitor will correct that.

    >>35174 saddict, I think there will be broken fingers again, but in the future and probably with other torture victims.
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    You can sometimes tell when I have inserted pics to honor requests when the file numbers go to a, b, c an^d so on.
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    >>35258
    Is Aaron going to add a nipple or two to his evening stir fry? I thought maybe the red-hot iron was going as far as possible up Julieta's pussy, but that might finish her. There would be a lot of sizzling flesh in either hole. Thanks for the update, Drabok!
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    Holy shit those pics are amazing. Maybe someone could take Julieta's fingers and nipple, cook them and tell her that if she manages to eat that, they will release her. Obviously, that won't happen at all.

    Keep up the awesome work, Drabok
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    So much going on so many girls screaming. Could i beg for some close up pics as well. Impressed with Darius health and safety concerns although i would burn away Nina's bush. Her hair would burn well too. I do hope all hymens are ruptured before dispatch. Some arse to cunt arse to mouth for tasha who also needs punching
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    Awesome updates, Drabok!
    I can understand the old man can't resist putting the hoy iron into Julietta's asshole. While I was watching him cauterize her fingers I was thinking just about doing the same thing.
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    All four girls in one update, nice! Nina's tits are getting crispy and for Mia the blood starts flowing. Cauterizing Julieta's fingers was a great idea. And now it looks like she will lose her nipples next. I love it when you are slowly cutting away parts of her body one by one.

    >>35144
    Yes, we know the girls won't survive, so long term consequences of losing body parts don't really matter. But the girls don't know that, they still have hope to get free somehow, so doing things to them that can't get fixed even if they would escape matter a lot on a psychological level. Especially Julieta hasn't been told anything at all.

    Though I agree on the losing arms and legs part, I would like to see that too. Probably not releasing her afterwards, but maybe giving her some time to appreciate her new situation.
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    GREEAAATT!!!!
    Thank you, Drabok!
    Please continue….!
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    Trying another update, hoping the blacklist will finally let me.

    I guess you won't be surprised that in this update, Julieta loses her nipples.
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    I think the cutting looks quite good but I am not satisfied with the way her tits look after the areolas have been cut off.
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    That's why tits have nipples and areola's………
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    Nevertheless this is becoming quite a thread, my friend. Respect.
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    Her tits are looking just like I would expect them to look after cutting of her nipples. I think that's fine, it would be weird if the tits would suddenly look better without any nipples. And the cutting and her reaction to it looks pretty good.

    So she will be left like this for the night, before her torture continues? Nice!
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    Great update. If i was the old man Julieta would have a load in her cunt as well but these guys are more professional. And tomorrow only more pain Try to get some sleep m dear Julieta!
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    >>35430
    I'm certain Julieta would share that opinion, Drabok. Ha!
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    Amazing update!!!
    You have been able to express perfectly the extreme cruelty of the scene.
    Thank you!
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    Don't forget to Cauterizing her baby boobs (whats left ) of them too ! ever so slowly .

    PS: do you have a square shape on a rod instead of just the one heated rod ?
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    wow! cool!
    ….and then cut off the ears. Then the nose and the lips.
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    If we are going to cut her more, I think the old man or next, could get his fingers under her developing mammary tissues and cut the whole tit off.
    After raping her, there are more lips to remove.
    Her whole uterus could be pulled out! Options!
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    >>35430
    Yes it does not looks that good
    You forgot to apply some morph to push areola inside to make it look like a hole.

    But nevertheless it is nice to see you doing something like that ;)

    >>35447
    You are getting really greedy ;)
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    >>35430
    I think it looks fantastic, well done render. Graphically violent without becoming gross in the mutilation.
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    Awesome work, Drabok!
    I think this must be the most agonizing nipple mutilation I've seen.
    Thank you for sharing it with us.
    I can't wait to see what else is in store for these helpless beauties!
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    EVMC-King! Drabok-Peon!
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    >>35557 Thank you Anonymouse, it's always good to get some fresh, clear, well-seasoned perspective!
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    And thank you rbl.efnet.stupid for letting me find an unblocked tor exit after only seven tries.
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    Seriously admins, it would be a great relief if you could turn that off again.
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    But now, heartfelt thanks to everybody else!
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    >>35449 Onix, I actually did apply a push modifier to push the areola in, but maybe I should have made the effect more intense to actually create a slight cavity.
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    As you can see, with Nina's last torture of the evening I'm back to a well known torture and a familiar tool.
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    But what can I say, oldies are goldies for a reason. And a bit of self repetition makes for much faster production of pictures.
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    >>35561
    I guess posting pics has become quite difficult. Thanks for your efforts and the update, Drabok!
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    >>35564
    I I did not men posh modifier even if that is possible too, but rather just using some areola adjustment morph

    although using morph or mush modifiers will be too low resolution, if you want to achieve more detail, you should rather use displacement maps.
    since you are already playing with textures just make one more monochrome texture with certain places black or white on 127 grey and apply it as push modifier. also, you can increase the subdivision level too to get a sharp edge.

    But dam, not that I want to criticize you but with your latest pictures I just can't see her suffering at all, looks like she is being annoyed or yawing.

    >>35563
    here she looks like someone is trying to feed her a dish of maggots

    >>35565
    and this is like she is being strangled.

    This is not your problem since I have trouble with those expressions too.
    Probably the reason is lack of muscle tension in their bodies
    since girls look pretty relaxed like yawing.

    This issue needs a bit more research.
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    >>35570 How expressive! FYI my last comment was an insult.

    You should reply in kind!
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    I like the expressions, when they are too contorted they become unattractive to me. Like this it looks like they are suffering to me. Amazing work as always Drabok.
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    Cannot wait for Arran to push past Nina's hymen and make her a used cunt. Please dump a load in her cunt. Then her clit can be burnt or cut off. Yes Nina needs buggering but by more than just Arran. She could still taste some cum and shit from her arse as a blow job might be dangerous!
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    great update. Really helps to make my day
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    With the hot poker pressed against the vulva lips might be not have a small pubic hair bush fire! An additional pic of detail of the smoking anatomy would be great.
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    >>35561
    >And thank you rbl.efnet.stupid for letting me find an unblocked tor exit after only seven tries.
    You could just use the Onion link.
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    Which TOR address would that be? I haven't been able to reach gurochan via .onion for quite a while now
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    what cruel rituals continue: glowing skewers in the ass and in the pussy? Remove hand and fasten metal claws? Remove eyes, then sink bowls into the holes and screw beautiful diamonds into the bowls? Remove teeth and replace with metal nails? Seal ass and pussy with metal plates?
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    >>35656 There is no Onion link any more. That went down with the old site over a year ago, the new site doesn't have an Onion address, and I don't think there are any plans to change that.
    Which would be fine if we could use Tor without issues for the normal address, but as it has been pointed out a few times, we can't.
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    >>35569 Well yeah, expressions are always hard to hit correctly. I felt like I could not have the girls maximum pain all the time amd wanted to convey a sense of exhaustion and resignation. I think it worked in some pictures but not so well in others.

    Muscle tension would be a great way to give more expression to the bodies themselves. And there are actually a lot of muscle morphs for the genesis 3 characters. My problem is: There are simply too many of them for me to aimlessly play around (69 by the count I just did, without hands, feet and facial muscles.). It would simply take much too long for one single pose. They cannot be dialled in groups like for instance "all leg muscles tense", you have to dial all of them individually. And there are 15 of them for the thighs alone.
    Maybe it would be a possibility to only try stomach and neck muscles and see if that gives a good result.

    >>35704 yes, the .onion-mirror is long gone.
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    After Onix' remarks I went back to three pics of Nina's torture to try out if they could be substantially improved by trying to play around with some muscle morphs to suggest a staring body.

    I had to take away her collar to accommodate the neck muscles.
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    I meant a straining body.

    So what do you think.

    Of course I also improved the expression, I think.
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    And sorry for complaining so much, I love that this gurochan is always up, but I can't understand that the admins do don't turn of the efnet blacklist, seeing that it does not actually deter spammers.
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    And some new images, but without muscle morphs.
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    Not really complaining here again. Only grinding my teeth.
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    My dentist will be ecstatic about this additional income.
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    And no, I will never post through anything but tor here.
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    >>35734
    This looks a bit better but I think I found the problem it is same not only with pain but also with other emotions.

    You need to add wrinkles on the nose - eyes somehow

    I cant find any way to do it with eyes, nothing is available, but on G8 you can use
    brow compression HD
    nose compression HD


    This immediately makes everything much better every time you need to show any kind of tension
    but only on the view port,because for some reason all those wrinkles do not render easily, you need some kind of special lighting to get proper shadows and you need to dial them to at least 500% to make anything visible at all. also you may need to increase subd level or else wrinkles are too smooth

    Now I am thinking that maybe instead of morphs it may be better idea to use normal or bump maps if only such thing is available
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    >>35745
    You are bit wrong about me.
    I am not trying to make people who fell pain look like they are in some euphoria. I actually want them to look normally as if they are in pain but with one difference that for me pain is actually more like motivation thing which makes you do something so pain just comes you react and it goes away.
    So I like alternating expressions like girls fells horrible pain one moment then she gets relief.
    Of course girls felling euphoria from being tortured is also an option which I like, but this depends on specific character: some will like pain some will hate it.

    also term "they like it" is a bit tricky, because your girls may also like it. you don't know what is in the heads after all LOL
    In that aspect I like masochistic girls who actually seek real suffering, when they actually cry and suffer but still come for more for some stupid reason.
    Kinda same as a girl who comes back to her boyfriend even if he gives her nothing but pain and she complains about how horrible he is how much she is suffering.

    It is also very sexy if she is openly asking to be tortured, like she just cried a lot begged for mercy and after it ends she is begging for more suffering

    Finally this is not only about pain but laughter too. tickling torture woud be also fun for me.

    But speaking about your interests I wonder what is really your goal? You want to make girls scream or you want to make them sad broken and depressed?

    I think looking from outside our interests somewhat match. If only you made if in your story somehow indicates that she wants to suffer that would be just perfect ;)
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    I leave the technical discussion to you, I don't know enough about that. But the new versions of those pics are looking better. What's making the difference for me is always the face, facial expressions might be the most important part to really show their pain. And I think in all the new pictures the facial expressions are looking better than in the first versions of those pics.

    And I like the new pics too, and of course it's great the girls are left in their positions over night!

    For me, guro is a very broad topic. This pure sadistic stuff might not fit into the most strict definition of it, but this is clearly the only site for that. If other sites weren't so scared to accept lolicon, there would be other options, but as it is, there aren't any. You are already posting on pixiv, the only other site I know that would take your stuff is lolicit. And while the Tor problems here are annoying, it would probably take a while to get full access there. But if things get worse on gurochan, it might be worth a try.
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    There are so many different interests. Everyone will never be satisfied. I try to enjoy Drabok's pictures as they are. It makes it great. I also have other ideas, even more cruel ideas, and so on. But Drabok would say: Then do it yourself! He is right. And if the girls were begging for pain, it wouldn't be the way it is now. I like it better when nobody is begging for pain. The girls are scared and panicked and tortured by sadists! I would never think of anything like this in real life, but everything is allowed in the artificial world of 3D! Even if the girls are raped alive by dogs and eaten by rats! Thanks Drabok! After each Ubdate I wait impatiently how to proceed!
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    Speaking about our tastes that kind of discussion feels kind of bad, and I have feeling that Drabok may dislike my attitude towards his pictures even if I like what he is doing,

    I think maybe I should ask it directly if he is ok if I take his story as something funny and not serious (and make comments in that mood) or he wants everyone to see it as some real things where you are supposed to see all what is happening documentary and not as typical comedy where you laugh when someone gets his balls crushed or looses an eye regardless the fact that this person is really suffering.
    For me this is all pretty good. I do not see it very erotic to get instant boner but still it is interesting to follow.
    The content itself is not really that important what really matters is how you see it, in fact this is applicable to all life. Some people just laugh right before being executed or before dying because it can be so funny to imagine that now you will loose your head.
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    Speaking of dentists, one of the girls really needs to get her teeth drilled in >:)
    amazing new pics
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    >>35752 “I have feeling that Drabok may dislike my attitude towards his pictures even if I like what he is doing”

    If so, then he and I have yet another thing in common. Even if, given my tastes, I haven’t liked anything he’s posted since the corrected Jessica pics (thanks), at least I can see that the girls hate everything that’s happening to them, just like in my stories, and that that aspect is a vital factor to what Drabok and everyone (but you) likes about them.
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    I do not get your logic.
    because In this situation I think I specifically explained that the main thing is not suffering but attitude towards their suffering.

    What is happening to them and how they react does not matter
    what matters is how YOU react to all that. It is you who wants to feel all that suffering and fear.

    And possibly you may get upset if someone ruins that atmosphere in a similar way as someone staring to laugh in the scary movie while the monster is chasing some virgin girl.
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    I also like the girls to hate everything is being done to them.
    Pure sadism!!
    Thanks Drabok for this awesome story!
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    I'm sure it is possible to come up with a solution to the TOR issues here.

    How about setting up an account based authentication only to permit posting. This way you can perhaps also edit the posts or even easily remove them should you wish.

    Account recovery would be an issue since almost nobody would use their real email to login. My accounts at free email providers have been hacked/compromised before. So email password recovery would also be an issue.

    An alternative would be to issue a key in a .csv file where the key is of a length between 20-40 characters and the login asks you for 3 random characters on 3 positions of the entire key when you try to recover the password should this be needed.

    For login you get 5 attempts in 1 minute after which you will be banned for 5 minutes. The second band will be an hour. The third ban will be for a day (using fail2ban perhaps). This to mitigate bot attacks.

    Where could we reach an admin to propose this? I could even write a script (either Python or Node.js) that can be used for this task where the PHP back-end could send its requests to and receive data success or not.
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    Hey, a node that works!

    Drabok, thanks again for making such fine images for us and being open for ideas and criticism.

    May I request that when you make images where something long (like a baseball bat) is stuffed into a girl's cunt to make her belly bulge. Especially when they kick it in even deeper!

    This would also look great for the throat to make it swell during deep-throat. Perhaps making the face and neck red as well.

    Drooling and/or leaking penis fluids would also look great.

    Keep up the awesome work
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    >>35746 Onix, Any way you look at my pictures, or any attitude you want to take to comment on them is completely OK.

    I should probably also apologize (again) for not commenting on your outstanding pics enough.

    But yes, there is a fundamental difference between your fantasies and mine in that my victims will never like what is done to them. (And the victims will always be girls.)

    >>35798 Wombraper (honestly?) If you want to contact the admins you should post your suggestion in /dis.
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    >>35812
    Well eventually if I will find some time I will also make a series where girls do not enjoy it to steal your audience LOL
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    It is great that both of you have differences in art style. Actually you both are my favorite. When i feel like a more hardcore torture of Lolis i look at Drabok.On the other hand, if I want the cute pain that is more consensual, and a little more on the cartoon side, I look at Onix. You both have a different style therefor also a different audience. Both of you keep up the good work. It is beautiful.
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    >> 35816 Do that. I would certainly not mind some more non consensual content here!

    If the blacklist lets me I'll finish Tasha's evening and then I'll finally get back to Rica.
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    Love Tasha's position for the night but would have cum deep inside and even now scoop up the cum on her chest and ram it inside. With the position she could worry all night about sperm running into her womb.
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    only 3d artist besides lilheart that I really like
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    Nice finish for Tasha, the night should be very uncomfortable, and her real torture hasn't even started yet! I'm looking forward to the final session for Rica. I guess there are some similarities to the finish for Sabrina, but that was one of the most brutal deaths so far, so I would love to see something similar again - only this time the guys know what they are doing and won't kill her by accident. As medical students they should be curious how much they can do to her before she dies, but also have an idea what they can't do if they want her to survive a little longer.

    The stories Onix makes are just different from those Drabok makes, there is certainly some overlapping audience, but most people either like consensual or non consensual stuff and not both. That's why Drabok is clearly my favorite artist, and really the only one on gurochan who makes stuff I like - if Onix decides to make something non consensual, I certainly wouldn't complain. While I prefer to see more fucked up stuff happening to the girls, and that just puts Drabok ahead of everyone else, even rather harmless stuff works for me as long as it's not consensual, and there are other sites with other artists who make stuff like that. For lolicon just lolicit (and pixiv, but almost everything good on pixiv is also on lolicit) and for adult victims a bunch of different sites.
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    Well, my stuff in not really consensual most of the time ;) There is always some conflict ongoing.

    But how exactly you define "nonconsensual" anyway?
    Because as I explained in another thread, for me, if a girl gets into trouble by her own action or not makes enough effort to resist/escape that's consensual already.
    In the previous CDL story, those girls came to rapists themselves and even were quite excited with all that torture perspectives ;)
    So how it works for you? as if girls mention that she wants to be raped and later it happens does it counts as consensual? of if she is given a chance to escape but she decided not to use it. will it count as consensual for you?
    or another version which I actually like most were girl wants to suffer but also screams cries and reacts normally while being tortured.
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    Onix has more class and I prefer quality over quantity.I love non-consensual but I allways prefer something that is well done!
    Onix>Drabok
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    >>35869
    Well, I would not say that my pictures are better because I am one who is focusing more on quantity and Drabok is insane perfectionist :)
    Although my story and characters are always better ;)

    When you focus on the story it is not really worth bothering with extreme quality or you only look at each picture for a few seconds and it takes like 30 minutes to make it.
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    >>35872
    Yes, that's what I'm talking about!
    A well written story doesn't even need images if it can stirr the imagination! And your pictures add to the flavor! Overall your cocktail has greater quality! Details are important, but random torture scenes, even with great details, are not my idea of quality!
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    This shouldn't be a discussion about who is better Onyx or Drabok. Both are great artists with different styles. Of course, I prefer Drabok's one, much more realistic and crude. But no one can say one of them (Drabok or Onyx) is better.
    Just enjoy them without comparing their art.
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    "if a girl gets into trouble by her own action or not makes enough effort to resist/escape that's consensual already." No, by my definition that's clearly non-consensual.
    "In the previous CDL story, those girls came to rapists themselves and even were quite excited with all that torture perspectives ;)"
    They had some silly fantasies, but it was very clear they didn't want these things to happen, clearly everything was non-consensual.
    "as if girls mention that she wants to be raped and later it happens does it counts as consensual?"
    Rape can never be consensual by definition. Lots of girls have rape fantasies, if they get raped it's still non-consensual.
    "of if she is given a chance to escape but she decided not to use it. will it count as consensual for you?"
    This might be an edge case sometimes, but it's probably still non-consensual.
    "or another version which I actually like most were girl wants to suffer but also screams cries and reacts normally while being tortured."
    If she wants it, it's probably consensual. It's certainly not a fantasy I want to see.

    Other edge cases could be a girl who agrees with everything at first but then changes her mind - that would also be non-consensual. Or a girl who doesn't agree at first but then changes her mind - I'm not sure how to classify that, but it's not what I'm looking for. There are maybe some non-consensual elements in your stories, but so far your girls at least mostly agree with the things that are happening to them, and that's just not what I'm looking for.

    I want the girls to hate what's done to them. They can show that in different ways, some might try to fight back, some might complain, some might beg and scream and some might suffer silently. It just has to be very clear that they don't want these things to happen, they are just unable to stop them. If it looks like the girl is enjoying what's happening to her and actually wants that to happen, it's not interesting for me any more.

    Drabok does exactly that with lots of torture scenes, including stuff I haven't seen anybody else do. And to me it's looking very good. About quality vs quantity: Sure, I have seen 3D artists who are objectively making better pictures than either Drabok or Onix. But they are producing single pictures, and have an output of maybe 1 or 2 pictures every month. Among artists with a similar output who are focusing on stories instead of single pictures, it's hard to find better quality. And I always prefer stories over single pictures. Even if these stories are sometimes just loosely connected torture scenes. A story with more background story and other elements might be more interesting, but on the other hand I have seen some artists start stories like that and then stop updating when they get to the action scenes, so I'm happy with the way Drabok's stories usually don't take very long to get into these action scenes.
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    >>35897
    Well, rape actually can be consensual, and this is exactly what many people like

    It only looks like rape from outside but when you look deeper you see that while characters do not show it, complain and object a lot, they actually want it to happen and get pretty upset that their partner cannot get a clue.
    But just like with you, they cannot admit that they want it because then it will ruin experience or it will be too embarrassing.
    You probably know the basic rule that you cannot ever ask a girl if she allows you to kiss her ? So this is sort or rape already ;)

    But you see that it is not that easy to tell what is consensual and what is not or even who is predator and who is a victim ;)

    I am just curious what if for example in the end of the series Drabok just posted one picture telling that all those girls were volunteers for snuff show LOL


    But yes I also want to second that that comparing our quality is inappropriate idea.
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    Merry Christmas to you all!

    I'm not in the mooed for discussions today, but my gift will be three updates in the coming three days if nothing unexpected happens.
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    Last one today, more tomorrow.
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    I would spin Rica over and crush both of her tits and then break her pelvis over the cunt
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    and a merry christmas to all us pervs. Good to know these girls will not be looking forward to a new year or any other years.
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    Great update Drabok!!
    Those hammers look really harmful!
    "My gift will be three updates in the coming three days" : That's certainly the best gift you can give to us!!
    Thank you very much.
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    Merry Christmas!

    Great updates! And I'm looking forward to even more over the next few days! Looks like Rica won't make it into the new year.

    >>35908 I'm not sure continuing the discussion will lead anywhere. I know what I like to see and what I don't like to see, and just because you have a different definition of consensual and non-consensual that won't change.
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    Who cares if it is consensual or not consensual. It is ART.
    Drabok, your art is fantastic. Don't change a thing. Merry Christmas!!!
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    Onix, you are Salieri, I hope you realize that
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    Please guys, my wish for christmas would be that you would stop on the relative pros and cons of Onix and myself. I find the topic quite irrelevant.

    And also a pointless effort on your side, because you won't make me do more Onix-like stuff and I doubt very much that Onix will change what he does, if he does not feel like it.
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    You might notice that one of the guys has a whiter skin in the last few pictures tham before. The reason is a technical problem. For some reason, his previous skin suddenly did look very strange in the renders, probably because I updated Daz Studio to a new version while finishing the Rica sequence.
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    Great detail at pic lsc 454, showing the broken bone under Rica's leg!!
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    >>35996
    Drabok! What happened to your quality check? The guy suddenly has a much smaller shoe size… ;)
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    >>35941
    well the point of that difference in definitions of what is consensual and what is not is exactly why stuff which is consensual for me is non consensual for you

    and the meaning of this discussion is not to convince you to like something but to understand your reasoning so that I could try to use it in some way.

    >>35992
    while I will not change what I do completely, some changes are possible. So I want to find out what really matters here.
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    And another great update, aside from the technical issues, like the small mistake Timon noticed - I had to look twice to see that, somehow my focus is not on the guys when I watch these pictures. ;-)

    Onix, I'm not sure that will accomplish anything. The stuff I like has one thing in common: The girls hate what's happening to them, they didn't agree to it, and they would stop it if they could. Making something like that would be pretty different from your usual stuff, and it seems like those are all just things you don't like to see.
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    >>36008
    Ok, so if I get you right the main thing that matters is not whether it is consensual or not but that girls must hate it. and there can't be anything that would imply that they actually want that even subconsciously.

    In that case yes this is not what I like enough to bother doing.
    but it is possible that I will do it not as porn but as a horror story.
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    please please please make my christmas by bashing her tits flat, especially as sideway swipe and then break her cunt
    Perhaps finish by pushing the handles up far!!!
    or throat her with a handle
    Excellent as ever
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    Another day, another update.

    First an improved 453
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    I must have been blind when I did 453 the first time.
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    Btw it took 13 tries and about 20 minutes today to find an unblocked tor node.
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    >>36017 titkicker, I hope this is kind of what you wanted.
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    Last, here's my 50 cents on the consensual discussion. I don't think it's hard to define non consensual.

    As soon as a person says "No, stop doing that to me" it's non consensual if the other person continues.

    OK, it might be some role play and then that's not true. But if it's role play the persons involved will know that it's roleplay and have agreed on safewords.

    I know this is exactly the politically correct definition of non consensual that feminists will give you. I don't care about that because even politically correct opinions can also be simply right. And the feminists will still be extremeley unhappy with me because my fantasies revolve around non con.

    Dear Onix, I had to laugh out loud at some of your theories about consensual rape. Yes, there is a sizable percentage of women who likes getting "raped", as it is clearly demonstrated in the very very boring bdsm movies by the label Kinky.com and others. But that is, as mentioned, roleplay, and so by definition it's not rape.

    And "You probably know the basic rule that you cannot ever ask a girl if she allows you to kiss her? So this is sort or rape already ;)" Say what? What country do you live in?


    And your suggestion that the CDL story was somehow consensual because the girls visited the museum of the inquisition voluntarily? Consider this: You are walking down a street with heavy traffic. Maybe you even admire some of the expensive sports cars and SUVs breaking the speed limit. And then you get run over by one of them. Would that make your death consensual?
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    "Why waste a body when they could further their studies by dissecting her when they get home"

    …is this going where I think/hope it's going?
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    >>36040
    well if you don't mind to talks abut that I will try to prove you wrong because everything is not that simple.
    not sure if you will have time to read it LOL

    actually entire life is based on the same idea as for example you play a video game do you want to be killed by enemies? I guess no, but why then you chose a game with enemies if you could play without them and never get killed? and most of the time it is exactly the same you actually want to be challenged but you don't want to admit that you want it because that would be irrational. or same with movies you probably don't want good guys to be destroyed by bad guys then why those bad guys exist at all?

    for example, if you buy flowers to your wife she will probably say "oh why that was totally unnecessary"
    but she will like what you did and get upset if you don't. if she tells you "hey buy me a pack of flowers" that's useless.

    the situation with sex is the same, all process is just endless battle/game where one is running away and another is chasing.
    if this game ends sex usually ends as well.

    In that aspect, all my stories are nonconsensual, because all the time characters are fighting to some degree.
    even in that latest story about a suicidal girl which for you may seem to be consensual guro, there is a battle of some sort where the boy wants to have sex with her and she just kills herself in the last moment only leaving her corpse to play with.



    Interesting enough, the stuff you make is pretty popular among women. When I was roleplaying, it was pretty hard to find someone interested in consensual stuff, most women were interested in just the stuff you make. Consensual guro is more popular among men and it is extremely rare to find a woman who has such interest. I actually had several roleplays that resemble the stuff you do too. For some reason, they want to be victims so much.
    Also on gurochan, authors who post NC content get quite some comments from women who want to be those victims but consensual stuff is usually ignored by women.

    so that's one more reason for me to do NC as well, maybe that will attract some girls ;)


    >And "You probably know the basic rule that you cannot ever ask a girl if she allows you to kiss her? So this is sort of rape already ;)" Say what? What country do you live in?

    I am quite sure that's valid everywhere it even portrayed in many movies and it is the most common knowledge.
    asking a girl "can I kiss you" will usually destroy your chances with her forever.
    you are supposed to try it and she is supposed either to resist or not to resist. you are only allowed to use indirect tests to see if she agrees like touching her hair, face and looking for her reaction.

    >Consider this: You are walking down a street with heavy traffic. Maybe you even admire some of the expensive sports cars and SUVs breaking the speed limit. And then you get run over by one of them. Would that make your death consensual?



    Well, rules in fiction are different from rules in reality here if you give a hint of something it becomes true.
    if that would be false why do you portray girls as being excited about all those torture devices?
    you, know that it is not reality so everything has meaning, nothing is meaningless.
    and if you want to say that they don't want to be tortured, make them horrified and scared, make them say that those devices are horrible contraptions and that this is a horrible place.
    An exception would be if those girls are on the sadistic side and get excited by thinking about how they will torture someone there.

    Your comparison is wrong because SUV purpose is not to kill, it is just an accident if that happens while those devices are designed for torture.

    A more appropriate example would be a girl put on a miniskirt and an almost transparent T-shirt and going for a walk in the place full of rapists at night.

    Of course, nobody with a sane mind will do that in reality but in the fiction why not, it is not like you can die or get hurt anyway LOL.
    Just like in my series where same girl already died 3 times LOL. You die - you just end in another story as a different character.

    But there are few people in the real world who don't mind it happening in reality too.
    so it is totally possible that your fictional characters exist in real-world and would love for all that stuff to happen to them ;)
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    >>36030
    ah, and about the new update LOL

    Those guys worked so hard tenderizing her, probably got all sweaty and their muscles may hurt next day ;)
    So it seems to be a big waste if they do not cook her on the fire LOL

    >>36037
    this looks a bit depressing expression or me. But probably pretty good end by your standards.
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    >>36042
    Is it just me or does what this guy is saying make absolutely no sense?

    And of course, Drabok, your art is amazing!
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    And another great update! I liked Rica's scenes. Interestingly I liked her first scene where she was hanging upside down the most, but the later scenes including her death were also pretty good.

    One comment about Tor: Even if I have to try a bunch of times (didn't have 13 yet, but 7 or 8 for sure), it never took me that long. Just in case: Getting a new circuit is good enough to change the exit node, no need to change the identity or restart the Tor Browser.

    Onix, I think you have to accept that your definition of non-consensual is at least extremely unusual. Our definition is not just the one Drabok and I use, it's the one pretty much everyone else uses in most parts of the world. And if you try to defend that opinion on a different site and in a different context, you might get rather harsh reactions.
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    >>36045
    Well, that's pretty complicated, I generally use your definition, but the problem happens because you start using mine when it is inappropriate ;)

    like for example Drabok and you said that If a girl says "no" screams and cries then it is nonconsensual. so you sort of should like that, because it is NC
    but then I just add the idea that girl actually wanted that to happen even without expressing it in any explicit way and you declare that now it is consensual and you no longer like it just because of one sentence saying that she wanted it to happen.

    or another version when Girl asks to be raped, according to Drabok's claim
    >As soon as a person says "No, stop doing that to me" it's nonconsensual if the other person continues.
    she said "stop" and was ignored or even killed so that should be NC rape and you should totally like it.

    so get up your own mind and decide what is consensual,
    is it when the girls openly declare it or when she actually likes it or (dislikes but wants it to happen) while saying the opposite and fiercely fighting back.


    Dabrok's series are pretty primitive in terms of plot so there is no uncertainty but if we had some kind of insane girls with BPD whose actions make almost no sense it would be quite different. Many people are facing this problem in the real world when they cannot understand what their partner wants from them.
    like you do what she is asking you to do and you get a kick in the balls you do something different and she complains but also kisses you being very happy or you see a girl being raped on the street you save her she accuses you of assaulting her rapist even if she was really raped by that guy against her will.

    If I will be making a story it will be exactly that kind of story where you will have some trouble understanding what is going on.
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    >>36030
    Drabok, I knew you would come through. Like allways.

    Don't get carried away with that consent-discussion. It's starting to look like a moonshot.

    I'm really impressed by your performance, the last three days.

    And as Krapvortex suggested, you've provided us with a second cliffhanger.

    Respect, respect, respect.
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    Drabok, you said you were going to give us a gift and you have kept your words even though sometimes it was really difficult for you to connect.
    I like people who keep their promises. Thank you very much!!
    And of course, congratulation for your great art!!!
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    Excellent pancake tits now. Well positioned just over the bed spread would have broken her back.
    I am sure plenty of play left during the dissection.
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    >>36044 It isn’t just you. It’s just him.
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    Thanks for all those Christmas updates, and thanks for taking so much time with Rica! I liked it a lot!

    I liked most changes to my original idea. Going with different tools instead of fists was a good idea. I especially loved her hanging upside down, would be great to see that again with a different girl and a different torture, that was a great position! I would have loved to see her story end with her hanging there like that, bloody and broken, with a baseball bat shoved deep into her pussy.

    One other thing, they never beat her face, it's still just as pretty as it was when they started. Maybe that can happen to a different girl? Julieta got some slaps to her face, but how about really fucking up one of those pretty faces?
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    yes i would love to see their faces mauled
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    Let give up on the discussion some one is going to get mad and quit posting and who wants that?? Great update!!!!!!
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    Hey I was finally able to get through after weeks and weeks and post
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    >>36042
    Your arguments are valid and I hope Drabok will learn something from them!
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    Great new additions to Drabokchan!
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    Onix>Drabok!
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    Please, stop this stupid discussion!
    Thank you.
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    Drabok and Onix are two different artists. I much prefer what Drabok does and I hope he does not change anything. However, it boils down to individual taste. It is not a case of who, if anyone, is better. Stop arguing about a non
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    we have cunts to abuse lets concentrate on what matters - the girls are waiting overnight for their horror of tomorrow this is what we need to spend our time worrying about!
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    I like discussions in general even if I don't always want to join them. I think it's quite interesting to hear what people like and don't like, as long as they don't think that their fetish somehow way better/justified/morally superior than anybody else's.

    Even discussions about the relative merits of different artists can be interesting.

    Well, except statements like Onix>Drabok and similar. Would that mean that he is fatter than me? Possible, but doubtful.
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    Oh! An open tor node on the first try. Quickly now Drabok, some new pics!
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    Obviously the three Latinas have not been raped yet.
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    So that has to be corrected.
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    Which means it's going to take a while before we get to the next torture scenes.
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    Can't be helped you know.
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    Because it would be really cruel to execute the girls…
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    I guess they might object.
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    But we perverts surely know better.
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    I love how you have captions and then comments about your own captions lol
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    >>36120 and >>36121 are what I’ve been hoping for and following this thread to get: extremely cruel position and device, deliberate excruciating pain and torment, helplessness, nakedness, terror, and NO visible injuries once I crop one pic at her waist and the other at her ankles (sigh, nothing’s perfect).

    Unfortunately, in the one from the front, the restraining bar goes through her right leg instead of around it.
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    >>36113 One amendment to that statement; Discussions about artists are interesting as long as they don't turn offensive to one of them.

    Well except if is me. You can offend me as much as you want to! Go ahead! Do your best!
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    Nina and Julieta being prepared for a hard and long last day. Great!!
    And thank you very much, Drabok, for this fast update!!
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    Darius should remember his own hygiene and wipe himself clean with Julieta's hair or head, she is only a toilet after all. Julieta can still be punched in the face. Nina buggered. Hymen still intact?
    But I do think we need more gang raping all holes and double hole filled.
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    Nice to get outside pictures with those girls, they get the chance to see the sun one last time. ;-)
    The first picture gives us a chance to guess what's going to happen, but that's not going to be that easy this time. I can see the cross for Mia, other than that I don't know. You made some comments earlier about fire, so maybe one of them will burn and that's what all that wood is for?
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    Tasha's gang rape can continue now its morning and become much more violent. Smack her around her head and face. A cum bath is suitable.
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    >>36114
    I can see a very long spike in the background…someone may be impaled "Vlad Tepes" style. Nasty way to go, in my opinion, though it must be said I don't know anyone who has experienced it. Hmmm. Will the spike be forced up the girl's ass or pussy?
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    Excellent!!! Burning, impaling, and crucifixion!!! The most painful executions!!! Best choice!!! It is impossible to deprive young bodies of girls of all variety of pain!!! They were born to suffer for the pleasure of their executioners!!! Separately, I Express my respect for the bed for defloration. You can't execute virgins!
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    That huge spike could be to impale a girl, yes. Unless they just want to tie a girl to it for a different purpose. Impaling could be interesting, we haven't seen that yet.
    Burning might be the most painful way to die, because you don't loose consciousness, which would usually happen when you experience too much pain.
    Crucifixion is another really cruel way to go, because it can be a very slow death. Unless they help her along, she can hang on the cross for days before she finally dies, in constant pain!
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    Dear Drabok, thank you for a most interesting 2019. I wish you health, happyness, and lots of inspiration in 2020.
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    Thank you all and a happy new year to everybody!
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    Like many others here I am very happy to second Timon! Thank you very much Drabok for our best moments in 2019!

    In terms of inspiration and also technical challenges in this new 2020, something tells me that Aaron or one of his friends would love to insert a finger or two into a girl's ass, turn them around the upper sphincter so that they protrude from her vagina, and then pull as hard as he can (can he?) to rip the whole thing apart. The insertion of a hot iron ball into this new opening is very well justified then.
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    >>36190
    Mia's gotta' know nothing good is going to happen to her, and they'll kill her in any event. She should do her best to bite those bastards' peckers off while she has the chance.
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    Happy New Year! Here's hoping for just as many great pictures this year, the last year has been awesome! My personal highlights in the summer camp have been the whole scene with Jessica and Jolina, the upside down hanging for Rica, and finally pretty much everything you have done with Julieta, her torture scenes have been my favorite among those four girls in the dungeon.

    On to the current pictures: Shaving Mia's head is something new. I kinda like it, as long as it's the exception and not the rule, usually I prefer girls with longer hair. It does give her a classical look for sure, and it's certainly another humiliation for any girl who is proud of her looks. It helps that I have always seen Mia as a bitch who thinks she is something better because of her looks, so I imagine losing her hair might hurt her just as much as all the painful torture she has to endure.

    I guess the plans for the girls are becoming a little more clear. Nina will probably get impaled, while Julieta will get burned. And Mia can watch all that from the cross. Unlike the other two girls, she could survive her execution for a long time, maybe she will even get to watch what happens to other girls from the cross. And other girls could see her suffering on the cross to get an idea how terrible things will get for them.
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    I also want to thank you, Drabok, for all the 3D CG work you've done this last year. Great entertaining stuff. Can't wait for new developments in the story, and while it's hard to believe, by my count you still have 16 Summer Camp girls who haven't even been touched yet. 😜 More fun and painful endings to come in 2020!
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    Happy 2.020 Drabok, and thank you very much for your sharing your art with us.
    I can't wait to see what these lovely ladies must endure.
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    excellent as ever. Mia can choke on the cum and forced deep throat. Can the guys piss on her as well? After each release the guys could punch her in the face and chest. Perhaps she can be kicked around before crucification. Fantastic.
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    I was thinking the guys could further humiliate the bitches by writing on them. Perhaps keeping score of the number of cumshots in the cunt? Cocks which have used the girl?
    A tick box to keep score: Hymen gone, nipples off, clit removed, teeth knocked out etc etc
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    Perhaps the guys could humiliate the girls more by writing on them.
    telling them they are a cheap whore.
    Recording the number of cum shots
    Having a tick box of torture: Hymen raped; nipples removed; clit torn; teeth knocked out.
    Excetra
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    Excellent!!! We are waiting for the festival of executions!!! Look forward. I really hope that the girls will suffer for a VERY LONG TIME!!!!
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    >>36200
    I'm counting 17 girls, you are missing one: Fe, Lyla, Cathy, Celine, Eliza, Devon, Moira, Latisha, Lilly, Iris, Kensey, Lacie, Molly, Lorin, Myu, Laurie, Gwen.
    Among those 17 girls are my 5 biggest favorites, so from my perspective, the best is still to come. And of course we have a bunch of girls still alive and waiting for more torture with Tasha, Georgia, Miku and Jessica (who seems to be the biggest fan favorite so far).
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    With so many holes to rape we might have to call in more students - although i personally prefer ugly greasy fat guys. The girls should be horrified by what is abusing their tender bodies
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    >>36191 @Pedro Inserting the fingers would not be that hard, but ripping out the pussy I cannot do.

    >>36127 @GP I went back to have a look but the bar actually does not go through her leg in the 3D scene. But the rendered picture suggests it I'll admit. The thing with these 3D pictures is that they do not give a viewer much sense of depth. That is often a blessing for me because I can hide it when things actually do clip into each other. Or I can make body parts look like they touch even if they do not in the actual scene. In this case it was the other way around.

    >>36212 Ganymed. Oh man, that list of girls still not dealt with at all is kind of depressing. How will I ever finish this story?

    OK, probably by doggedly moving on.
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    Now the crown of thorns was the real technical reason Mia's hair had to be shaved off.
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    It would not have worked when she still had got her hair.
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    I was suspecting technical reasons for the shaved head. Nice crown, looks pretty painful! I'm very much looking forward to the crucifixion!

    Think positive about that list of girls: The list of girls you already dealt with is getting close to the same size! And you are moving through the story at a very high speed. It's already as long as the complete CDL story, and you have posted it much faster than that one.
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    Have courage, Drabok. Some of the 17 remaining girls are really attractive! You can devise suitable ends for them all, and simply & quickly "dispose" of the remainder. Hope this makes sense; I've got too much brandy in me to function and had to edit this post way too much. Haha! 😜
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    Good thing the crown wasn't there yet, Eric's foot would have ebeen bloody! I'm proud I realized that through my brand-induced stupor. Haha!
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    >>36259 “Oh man, that list of girls still not dealt with at all is kind of depressing. How will I ever finish this story?”

    How about if you just take Devon and Moira to the BR&T Swat Meet? I’m sure the BR&T guys will appreciate it, and make good use of them for a couple of years, then you can even get them back if you want them. (I’d ask for Jessica too, but she seems to already be claimed, darn it.)
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    Don't worry Drabok. You can allways organise an auction and have your fans vote on which girls are to be sold.
    Remember: every girl sold makes a new cliffhanger and you can create the follow up in your own time….or not. Whatever you like.
    Or you can, to speed things up, have the boys tie a few girls to the trees in het forrest at the other side of the lake and let the wild animals (not being the guys) have a go at them.
    And for body disposal you could consider having the guys rent an industrial meatgrinder and sell the produce as vertiliser……
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    Mia still needs to be raped not just buggered. She could be crucified upside down legs wide apart.
    Love the idea of some wild animals having a couple of the girls
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    I'm pretty confident you can finish the summer camp, even without taking too many shortcuts for the remaining girls - of course that's always possible, but most of the remaining girls are among the favorites for at least some of us, the girls who didn't make that cut are already mostly gone, with a few exceptions. If you need to take a break, you can always work on a different story and come back later, but I like how you are sticking to just this one story right now, and I'm looking forward to see the fate of these girls, even if it takes a while.

    Some stuff I would like to see, just in case you need more ideas for the remaining girls:
    Similar to how GP mentioned in >>36127 I also like to see interesting positions and devices. I like it when the girls are forced into uncomfortable and unnecessary cruel positions, especially when those positions are also very revealing. For example the reason why I liked the upside down hanging with Rica so much was mostly her position.
    I like to see any kind of sensory deprivation: Blindfolds are great, and gags are too. And I would like to see the more extreme versions of that: Taking out eyes like I mentioned a bunch of times, also taking away their ears to make them deaf, taking away their tongues might kill them so probably not the best idea, but for example forcing a hook or a nail through their tongues could do the same job, and also force them into a specific position if they don't want to lose it.
    Taking away body parts has always been one of my favorite tortures, just because they are losing something important that's never coming back. Dismembering is certainly something I want to see.

    Also, I think I might like the medical students to come back at some point. Out of medical curiosity, they might just keep on torturing a girl in the most extreme ways with the goal to see how much she can take before she dies, and that's something I would love to see.
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    We have lots of girls are we thinking of some real terrible tortures with vivisection?
    I would like some real debreasting
    The pictures are in great detail, but does not mean i would not love more close ups.
    The clit being burnt off for example.
    A gang rape and then the uterus torn out and she or her friends forced to eat the sperm or inseminated with the sperm from the uterus?
    Whats the worst we could do? Suggestions?
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    >>36310 titkicker, you and I share some of the same fantasies. Debreasting, de-clitting by different extremely painful ways, womb removal and forcing the girls to do things with the sperm they extracted
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    Yes wanking into one girls cunt and then using that sperm to inseminate another one or more girls I always think is funny. A girl getting other girls pregnant and they have no idea who the father is!
    Glory hole type. But here it can be violent torture hole!!
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    What comes now should fuel the fantasies of titkicker and wombraper. Although scooping up and playing with sperm is far beyond my skills with fluids.
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    Thanks for the pics & continuing story, Drabok. Still think Mia should have tried to bite off someone's dick while she had the chance, but then it would have been more difficult for you to molest the 17 remaining campers. Haha!
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    Great pics! Of course they rape her after nailing her hands to the cross, I didn't expect anything else.

    She hopes it's over soon, well it will probably not take that long to nail her feet to the cross too. But dying might take a while.
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    >>36341 Damn. I am too predictable by now. I guess I will have to throw in some CDL-like twist soon to keep pou on your toes.
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    >>36342 In the old days the victims were not only nailed to the cross, but also tied, because now and then it happened that the victim freed itself by pulling the nails all the way through their hands and feet. So far I haven't seen a single piece of rope…..
    How's that for a CDL-like twist?
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    Sigh. The experts crucify people by driving the nails through the wrists and ankles. Nails driven through the hands WILL tear loose. This used to irritate the Vikings to no end when they crucified Christian priests. Those artists didn't know crucifixion from boiled rabbit.
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    Did you spot any Vikings in this scene?
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    I myself am still patiently looking for bears and wolves in the background ;-)
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    Fantastic With all the FERTILE sperm in her i hope Mia is ovulating. Although the poor embryo will die wth her. Mia is now less than a used condom. Full of sperm and now to be disposed.
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    But… anatomically Grassa48 is right the nails need to go through the wrist or between the radius and ulnar. And if I was Darius I would miss is the nail with the hammer and accidentally break her arm. But then hammer her tit or flatten her nose or break her teeth!! The hammer(s) can certainly be shoved into her cunt or arse.
    But I do think I hear the howl of a wolf or a few wild boars in the woods! With their spiral cocks and 250 ml of semen, boars could have a lot of fun with our cunt bitches.
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    Drabok it is difficult to beat you with fantasies = but you are offering opening pandoras box here. haha lots of fun for us, Mia??? but they are bitches little better than temporary cock covers.
    I am still looking forward to Tasha coming out to play and be gang raped some more and then debreasted.
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    C'mon guys. It's pretty obvious that Drabok created a persiflage of the jesus christ-figure. Let's keep it at that, with all the possibilities it presents. So let's cut the crap about the fine art of crucifying and get into the story as is.
    Meanwhile, I really thought I heard a wolfe howling…….
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    Yeah, I'm shure it was a wolfe. Titkicker is right.
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    And that boar is mine!
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    A CDL like twist scares me! ;-)
    I mean, I don't mind the occasional twist, but we really don't need any girls to get away.

    I think it's fitting how Mia's complete story was always going the straight forward expected way, since the villains also told her what would happen - maybe not every little detail, but having her laying there with her hands already nailed to the cross just begs for her to get fucked!

    And about the technicalities of crucifying: It's probably better to nail her through the wrists instead of the hands. But if I didn't know that and you didn't know that, why should the kidnappers know that?
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    The CDL twist…my biggest trauma of 2019 :(
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    A CDL-twist: Drabok! Bring it on!
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    CDL…sweet memories. I remember dear little Laura who had her fingers broken.
    Perhaps she has developed into a strong mature woman who succesfully overcame her childhood ordeal.
    Perhaps, in light of her skills in martial arts, she's become a commander of a special Interpol taskforce, in charge of hunting down the world's most horrific child molesters and sex offenders.
    Who is to say if she and her team got wind of 'our' summercamp and arrives just a teeny weeny bit too late to save any of the girls and instead have a go at the boys?
    That's a typical CDL-twist if I ever seen one…..
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    i must admit i was thinking like Ninja, Before Mia is hoisted up the villains could shit on her face and in her mouth
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    Drabok - Please don't make such a weird twist to make the whole story 'cheesy' at best. It would ruin the story. What is a CDL twist anyway?

    >>36378 a twist like you mention would not fit in this story at all

    Having wild animals use the girls sexually would be fun to watch, but adds a little bit of cheesyness as well. I would prefer to have two dogs that are owned by one or two group members be rewarded for their service by allowing them to rape mutiple little girls and having the girls suck their cocks afterwards, if only for the degradation and humiliation.

    And yes, Drabok, very much appreciate the recent pictures with rape and cum. Would be nice to see cum leaking from her pussy when she's put upright on the cross.

    Also, don't mind being predictable in this way that the girls are raped regularly. After all, wouldn't it be a shame to destroy such premium child pussy to be wasted forever? And in my stories (that are still being written), a girl is not to be killed a virgin. At least one man must have enjoyed her pussy thoroughly.

    Keep up the excellent work
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    When you have to ask what a CDL-twist is, you obviously don't know your classics… You'd better study Drabok's other threads.

    And what those wild animals are concerned: they usualy eat their prey, not fuck them. Nothing cheesy about that.

    As a matter of fact, I still hear that f*cking wolfe in the background….
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    Boars crash the party and chase away the villans! The girls have a moment of relief but then the boars start smelling their open wounds and one of them bites a meat chunk.Another smells a freshly fucked pussy and mounts the girls who starts shitting form the boar's thrusts!
    Music plays in the background!
    "Who let the boars out?"
    Courtain falls! ^^
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    And plenty of whores have been disposed of through pigs! - that guy in Canada. And i would not deprive a few boar's lust on the young cunts.
    A 400kg boar could make a big of damage to a young girl's looks
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    Just as some girls approach orgasm from the boar's thrusts a pack of wolves emerge from the shadows and surprise-attack both the girls and the boars in mid-fuck ripping them to shreds! The End! ^^
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    If Drabok does this we'll crown him the new king!
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    When I read back all the comments in this thread, Drabok has really got a shedload of notions and suggestions for this story. And the end is not in sight. This is truly becoming a project of an epic scale.
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    Did I mention there are also red ants in that forest?
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    >>36421
    That's my favorite forest!^^
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    You guys got ideas… some of them not really for me, but red ants would be something I would love to see! Sadly, I don't think that's going to happen, Drabok hasn't been very enthusiastic about ants in the past. The same goes for scat, I don't think that's ever going to happen and I share his opinion about that.

    The best idea for a CDL twist was the one from Timon in >>36378 .
    How about bringing the CDL girls into the camp? I don't care how they get here, but this way these guys could finish what the others didn't. ;-)
    I guess I'm still not over that ending.

    Anyway, I don't think we need any huge twists in this story, at least no twists that cost us some long anticipated torture scenes.
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    >>36348 I actually know that. But I wanted to get as close as possible to the classical imagery even if it's wrong.

    Btw I also think that when crucifying a young and lightweight girl like Mia hammering the nails through the hands would work too.

    >>36352 I think in this story the villains are the real wolves.

    >>36367 I'll have to renounce the crown because of no interest in scat.



    >>36418 That would be an interesting scene but way out of my gore league in Daz Studio. I guess SFM- or Honeyselect-Artists could do stuff like that more easily.

    >>36366 I thought mentioning Carla, Darla and Laura would scare you and some others. I just wanted to keep you on your toes and get a rise out of you!
    But you can relax, I was just kidding.
    There will be no escaping from this camp, except maybe into slavery again (after at least some torture) if I decide I have to get rid of some more girls quickly.
    And no killing of guys.
    But also no, Carla Darla and Laura have deserved to live and nobody will ever "finish what the others didn't"

    And finally to all of you: Thank you for all the suggestions but I won't be able to incorporate more than a very few of them.

    And before anybody mentions it: Yes, the cross in lsc 502 should not stand upright with it's puny base. In the real world it would fall if Mia moved even slightly.
    But this is not the real world, it's a fantasy world where the laws of men, logic and physics do not fully apply.
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    Oh man. "Flood detected", more precious time lost.
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    i broke my ankle its fucking painful. Shattering the ankle with a large nail would be off the scale. Love the cum covered twat great detail. A nail through a vulva lip to hold her in place? And she still has her nipples.
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    From way back in April last year, >>28311 your plan didn’t end up quite like it started, did it?

    Also, >>28595 you requested more criticism of things that could be improved. I’ve hesitated to bring it up, but perhaps you’ll forgive me since it’s a criticism of every 3dcg picture I’ve seen, not just yours. You’re great at tears (rhymes with bears), which I’m not all that interested in seeing, but like every other 3dcg I’ve seen, the tears (rhymes with fears) are pretty badly done. There must be thousands of pictures on the net for reference, showing real tears on real faces (I won’t link any for obvious reasons), and none of the 3dcg tears look even remotely like real ones. The fact is, tears on a face are 99.999% transparent water, not white paint. They bead up, creating places that are brighter and darker versions of the underlying colors, not white, and they leave tracks that are either darker versions of the underlying colors because the light is reflected away from the ‘camera’ or else very bright reflections of something behind the camera if the angle happens to match exactly. If you’d like, I could take a crop of one of your pics and hand-edit it to show better what I mean. I don’t know how you would get it to look right in the software you’re using, but I find it disappointing that such a fundamental thing still looks so primitive and unrealistic. Especially since that’s such an important part of MY favorite kink.
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    It's only recent that I mistook two semen traces for needles….
    I suppose it's just a stage in the development of 3CG software and the artists' skills.
    I've never made a secret of my respect for Drabok's skills, but I suppose one can only do so much with the tools at hand.
    So I fully understand if he doesn't entertain my suggestion that a girl could be attacked bij red ants. It'll probably take him two full months to complete just one picture… ;-)
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    Perhaps Onix is working on those ants.
    I haven't seen anything from him since december 5th….;-)
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    Flood detection - great, just another one of those ways to stop the spammer that backfires and stops everybody else instead. I'm not really optimistic about gurochan, it has been stable since it came back, but that's really the only positive thing about it recently.

    I know you're not bringing the CDL girls back, unfortunately. That story was just something special, I love the summer camp and it has great torture scenes, but we really got to know those three girls, in a way that's just not possible here. While that was probably the reason you let them get away, it's also the reason I'm still so invested in it. When you eventually start your next long story, I can say: That setup with a small group of girls with a personal connection worked really well for me. If one thing is lacking in the summer camp, it's that so far most girls didn't have any real connection. We had the scene with Jessica and Jolina, that's still one of my favorites, and the fact that Jessica cared so much about the other girl played a part in that. Other than that, while we had a few scenes with multiple girls, they didn't really know each other.
    I know from the introduction that there are a few sisters in the camp, using that in their scenes can certainly work to make them even more interesting. I don't know if there is any room to add friendships between some of the girls on top of that, maybe just spending time with each other in their cells for a few days can build something. I wouldn't mind some short interlude scenes with just some girls in their cells talking and trying to figure out what's going on and what to do about it - some might still think everything is fine, some might really worry, some might actively think about a way to get out.
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    That was my heartfelt prayer to the god of posters. May this work again!
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    >>36440 Tears are a problem with my software. I am not skilled enough and also unwilling to try to create my own 3D-props for that.
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    The same goes for trying to add them as postwork in 2D.

    Besides I have not seen any convincing postwork tears so far either so I am looking forward to your examples GP
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    The additional problem with postwork tears is that you would have to apply them in every picture of a series.
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    Right now I have a theory that writing something to a picture my mollify the flood detection filter.

    But maybe that's just magical thinking.
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    The additional problem in posting is that when I wait too long with the next post, the tor exit node can change. Off course to a blocked one most of the time, so the search for an open one starts again.
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    But it seems I could finish the post I planned for yesterday.
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    The last on, and yes I know, cliffhanger. Shame on you Drabok!
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    Wow, that's a prompt delivery! When I made that post asking about possible interludes with the other girls to get to know them better, I didn't expect to see that today. And it's exactly what I had in mind. I guess you are not the only who is predictable, if you made those pictures before I even asked about something like that.

    I would love if you jumped back to all the remaining girls every time new girls get selected, that just builds a lot of anticipation.

    So we get another cliffhanger. Lorin and Kensey are next, I'm excited to see what's going to happen to them! It has been a while since I had to look up my ranking for the girls. I have Lorin at 12, and I liked the original plan for her a lot. Kensey is only my number 28, one reason might be that all I know about the plan for her isn't really one of my fantasies. But I guess that won't be the only thing happening to her, so I'm looking forward to your plans for her as well.
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    Thanks for revisting the other girls, Drabok. I still have five of my favorites remaining untouched, including my #1 favorite, Myu. I had forgotten how attractive some of these summer camp girls are. The anticipation is building!!
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    Drabok you're a master - The guys have so much fun ahead of them! I hope they'll apply their own special brand of "tickling" to Moira's pretty little feet. Maybe they cut them off and make her pick them up in her hands to give them all footjobs. They could promise to spare her if she does a good job but obviously nobody is forcing them to stay true to their promises ;)
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    Good decision to show us the remaining girls again, and to go away from the other three girls for a while. I enjoyed all you have done with them and I'm sure I'll enjoy the finish too, but after 200 pictures with the same girls it's refreshing to see the others again.

    Especially because Lorin is my personal #1, and she is looking amazing on that one picture too, still my absolute favorite! I'm very excited to see what you are going to do to her!

    Most of my top 5 girls are still alive, only Rica is gone. Jessica has earned her place in my top 5, and the other two girls haven't been touched yet.
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    I love Myu! The way she is dressed with that micro short is incredible. I want to rape her
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    It doesn't look better! It looks like sperm! It is a bit milky and looks viscous. Tears are almost transparent and the light is slightly reflected.
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    >>36330
    No this is amateur crucifikation. The nails go through the wwist, not the palm. Nails in the palm rip out the moment you put strain on them.
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    We should not be negative to anyone who tries to improve in any way 3dcg art.
    Everyone who seriously contributes to this field of art -like Drabok- stands on the shoulders of others, like Dolcett.
    There will come a time in whitch blood, saliva or cum can be depicted more naturaly. It 's a matter of patience, waiting for better software and Drabok using it…. ;-)
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    Well, just a few days after I said the only good thing about the new gurochan is that it's stable, it has been down for almost a day. That's not building confidence, on top of all the other problems. I think you should really check out lolicit. It's not like you have to commit to posting your content there, but in case we lose gurochan again, it would be nice to have that option. Pixiv is fine, but it's still all censored (and since you are more than 200 pics behind on pixiv, I expect it will take a while to catch up).
    If you just make an account on lolicit (that probably doesn't work directly through Tor, but I just used a free proxy on top of that - very slow, but only necessary for the registration, otherwise using Tor is no problem at all) you have at least the option to get to member status when you think it's worth the effort.
    And I think it is actually worth the effort, not just to have the option to post your stuff over there if gurochan stops working, there are also a bunch of artists making content I'm sure you would like to see (I mentioned Krogue already, and there are a few others, and lots of older stuff).

    Well, enough about that. It's interesting how we all have most of our favorites still untouched, but they are probably a bunch of different girls. For example Miyu is pretty far down on my list, even though she does look really hot on that last pic - but all of these girls would with those clothes. And the one girl nobody ever mentioned is getting interesting too: I can't remember anyone ever mention Laurie, but that attitude makes her character pretty interesting.

    That post >>36494 was made in response to an example GP posted with different tears. I saw it too, and I guess he deleted it since that post was pretty spot on.
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    >>36460 Ganymed, I had prepared these pictures for a while but had not slipped them into the story yet.

    And >>36519 I had not even noticed that gurochan.cx was down for a day. But yes, I also have that nagging feeling that it could vanish every second. If it ever does, you will have to look on pixiv how I will continue. It may be irrational but I still don't like the hoops lolicit makes you jump through to become a member. Seems to me like they are forcing people to reveal quite a lot about themselves.

    >>36514 Consider me scolded enough and (slightly) repentant for the "amateur" crucifixion, anonymouse. But I'm still convinced that when crucifying a twelve year old girl weighing maybe 35 kilos instead of an 80 Kilo guy it would not matter much.

    >>36521 GP, you sound like one more very unreasonably touchy artist. I never even saw your tears picture so I can't judge it, and I bet a lot of other visitors here did not see it too. Bu you have deleted it after one negative reaction? I really don't get that attitude. How do you want to get better if you cannot take criticism?


    Do I "Enjoy your tinsel and ticker tape stuck to people’s faces since that seems to be good enough for every 3dcg artist (or software developer) I’ve seen so far"? No I do not.

    I do not think you have realized how this works. Daz Studio is a great free software for 3D amateurs but it has a lot of limits. A lot of people create and sell content for Daz Studio hoping to earn money with it. But creating anything involving fluids is very hard. And yes, none of the tears props I have encountered look very good. They look OK sometimes. But half of the time they are not even visible. And many other times, like I mentioned myself before, they look like milk or sperm, depending on the lighting and the camera angle.

    I myself do not have the time or inclination to create props. I do not want to spend months or years to learn how to create a perfect tear prop or any other prop. I just want to use what is out there to create stories instead.

    So why do I still use tears that are not realistic? Why do I use blood and welts and wounds and sperm that look even more unrealistic? It's because they are just symbols to vusualize what's happening in the story. I know that can kind of clash with the "realism" 3D pictures otherwise suggest. But it's just what is possible for me and most other 3D-pornographers right now. We do not have the resources of Disney behind us.

    So it's like Timon said: >>36517 I am hoping for better software and props to come and will use them if I can afford them.
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    And since I have found an unblocked tor exit here are some more pics.
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    I guess one thing about my stories that is very predictable is that all my girls will get raped.
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    So there's a lot of rape to go through before the next tortures.
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    Still working on the assumption that writing something for each post avoids the flood detection block.
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    So excuse me if the comments are sometimes quite irrelevant.
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    Or really blah blah blah.
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    And the last one for today.
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    36528 Drabok said: "I guess one thing about my stories that is very predictable is that all my girls will get raped."

    That sir, is style of predictable that I FULLY support.
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    I really hope you will do more with Kensey and not dispose of her quickly! I love your work and I want to see what you will do with the little black girl… Just because they are a rarity in loli doesn't mean they deserve to suffer any less
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    Any normal guys going to raoe a cunt like Lorin. Any you aint going to pull out! Now she is spread can I beg that she is hard kicked in the cunt and a drop kick to the tits. Being used as punch bag three guys at a time, would be fantastic.
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    Awesome update Drabok!!
    Great the rape scenes and mouth watering the position in which Lorin is tied up. I can't wait to see the continuation of her ordeal!
    Thank you!
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    >>36533
    Hmmm. I think it's reasonable to assume Kensey is going to get a couple black dicks before she gets "decent shoes." Keep those pics coming, Drabok. Thank you, sir!
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    >>36526
    There is one thing that makes me wonder. If it is realy that hard to create a new 'prop', how come there isn't any software to support that proces.
    There must be. Perhaps in a completely different area.
    In order to sustain this discussion, which may hopefully bring us some practical solutions, I include the 'deleted' pics.
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    Thank you for your excellent work! A very beautiful crucifix! Now the baby will suffer for a long time! And if her hands break the nails, then her feet will definitely not go anywhere! And the guys will beat her hands again! Although I think that such a baby will hang out until the end.
    This girl knew she was going to be crucified, but the other two don't know their fate yet?
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    Great start for Lorin! That's a really nice position for her, very promising!
    We'll see what's going to happen with Kensey. Black lolis are indeed pretty rare, that's what makes her interesting.

    >>36526
    About lolicit: I had the same reservations as you before I joined lolicit. But in the end it's up to you what you reveal about yourself. The best way to earn reputation is to participate in the discussions in the lolicon board, and most threads are asking how you like different things about lolicon. And most people probably earn their reputation when people like the same things - I got most of my reputation by posting a few fantasies in the appropriate threads, and now I'm giving out reputation to others doing the same when I like anything at all about their ideas. (That's also an advice to anybody else who decides to try lolicit: Don't hold back with your extreme fantasies. Most people don't like that stuff, but those that do will be happy to find others sharing their fantasies and give out reputation.) While this is personal information, it's not something I would reveal anywhere else for obvious reasons, so it's not identifying outside of the community. That's why I said you should just make an account, then you can see for yourself - there are a bunch of other discussion boards available, but that's the only one that's really relevant. I have no interest to discuss for example politics on that site, and from my limited attempts to get reputation in those other boards I can say since most people don't go there anyway, it's a complete waste of time if you just want to get member status.
    The reason lolicit is this way is because they try to be a community in the first place. Most people are still only there for the content obviously, but that's their reasoning behind it. I don't like their system and I was suspicious at first, but after more than a year I'm now reasonably sure there is nothing malicious about it. It's just a bit naive, there are a couple of core members active on the discussion boards and all the other participants in the discussions are just newbies obviously only there to get member status, once that's done most members don't bother with the discussion boards any more.
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    >>36546
    well speaking about lolicit the way you REALLY earn reputation is by kissing butts of mods there ;)
    because normal users can give you only a few points while if you please a mod well he will give you access almost straight a way by giving you something like 40 points in one go.
    So to get points quick you have to participate in the discussions where mods participate and somehow support their point against lowly losers with plain user status.

    Drabok probably could get in there pretty easily with some cheating simply by posting some pictures and promising more when he gets in or linking to his work on pixiv or here. Such a celebrity like him would likely get access withing a few days.
    But lolicit mods don't like that idea because it ruins their system.
    Once you get in it is better to stay away from any discussions because that can get you banned if you will get into a serious disagreement with some mod.
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    >>36552
    Every user can see their banlist, which includes reasons for banning. Going back a few months, they banned people for: Asking for or offering CP, spamming, ban evasion. All things that are currently a problem on gurochan. And a bunch of temporary bans all related to a forum game that aren't really serious.

    Overall you need 45 points, and nobody is allowed to give you more than 15 - so yes, three power users like mods could get you there really fast. Most active artists could give you just as much. And for example, I can give 5 rep already after one year, and I'm not posting any content and not participating that much in discussions either.

    And yes, as an artist Drabok could certainly cheat. Softcore pictures are allowed in the lolicon discussion board, and there are even a few threads for those. So Drabok could just make a thread there and start the summercamp story, everything from the introduction would be fine. I bet if you did that, you would get the reputation in a few hours, getting to 20 posts usually takes more time for artists, while normal users might struggle more with the reputation.
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    >>36546
    >>36552
    I am a member of lolicit for a long time and I've been a lurker for the reasons mentioned.
    The mods there are a bit paranoid and the content is hardly worth it.They have some good stuffs have no doubt, but you can get it all in one run and the updates are very rare.
    It's their system that limit updates, indeed they keep spammers and trolls outside but doing so they locked themselves in.
    So in my opinion gurochan beats lolicit from miles away!
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    >>36555
    well, considering the ban list you should give more attention no to the reasons mentioned there but to the size of that list which seems to be comparable to the active user base of the entire forum.

    Also, do you think the ban reason will direly mention "refusal to lick my butt" or "disagreement in the certain topics"?
    obviously the reason will be something that makes it look like it was a legitimate ban.
    The fact that they even have a game where you can be banned is already a good sign where you are getting in. because if it was really game mods and admins should also get bans.

    But the main danger is not exactly what you will be banned over just some single post. simply if you are not very agreeable and not willing to bow down in front of authority you will inevitably get into some discussion where you either have to submit and admit your defeat or it will escalate into the level where your opponent will claim the victory by banning you.

    Even if this will not happen you will always have that feeling that you are playing with fire and wonder if when you come back you will be able to get in.

    Of course, nothing of that is relevant to Drabok because he does not bother with any discussions. Just posts a few pictures and disappears for a week LOL
    But I think his content will not be that much interesting to lolicit members because they are mostly real pedos who are into more vanilla things. I was posting there too but stopped posting because almost nobody was interested.
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    >>36571
    The banlist covers a lot of time. I think there are 50 bans on the first page, and that's going back almost 5 months. And half of those bans are temporary bans because of their forum game that's only relevant if you decide to play it by posting in the one thread that's part of it, and most of them are actually mods or other longtime users. I don't know if you got banned there in the past and that's why you think it's happening all the time, I know you like discussions, but if that happened it's on you - and as you said, not at all relevant for Drabok.

    The content will for sure be interesting to lolicit members, not the majority of them of course, but he has some fans over there. I think the thread with Drabok's work is already the biggest in the guro section, and there isn't even any recent stuff in there. Krogue and Bobuzi are two of the most active artists on lolicit right now, and they are both inspired by Drabok and big fans of his work.

    >>36556
    Overall, it depends on your taste if lolicit is worth it or not. There isn't any really gory stuff, but especially in 3D that's not that common over here either and it's not what Drabok is doing either. There is very little snuff, but at least a little bit in the guro section. There is however a lot of bondage, rape and torture, if you want to see that and it's ok for you when the girls survive all of that without major injuries you will find lots of interesting stuff, inside and outside of the guro section. The stories from GP are a good example, they would be right at home on lolicit, there is a lot of similar stuff in 3D art over there.
    And I wouldn't say their system limits updates in any way, I haven't noticed that. Sure, it's very hard to put out as much content as Drabok. But for example Bobuzi and Krogue have both posted hundreds of pictures over the last year.
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    I've been a member of Lolicit since 2011. I don't even think about the reputation system. I think I mildly paid attention to it when I first joined, but couldn't even tell you what mine is now. When I want to comment on something, I do, and have never had any issues. I've had plenty of great conversations there, participated in a lot of interesting Polls, and discovered MANY great artists there. It's been so long since I joined that I honestly don't even remember what info I provided at the time. Now days, I usually only go there once or twice a month to catch up though. Gurochan is a DAILY visit, because I don't want to miss a single Drabok image. :-)
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    Dear Mr. Drabok please do not ever apologize for doing more rape which this fan finds the most erotic aspect of your artwork. Please feel free to fill as many young pussies with as much hot creamy cum as your imagination desires. Thank you.
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    >>36573
    Well maybe you got me a bit wrong because i am not really trying to scare Drabok away by saying the he will definitely get banned or something like that.

    But more that it is not worth to support such forum where mods have that kind of attitude and also users seem to don't mind it either.
    That banning game is not really some real danger but a hint that some people have to be quite a masochists for getting into that and moderators seem to be real sadists because they like doing that and they obviously do not hesitate to do it on other occasions.

    I got temporary bans a few times for pretty trivial reasons like disagreeing with a mod about copyright issues where I did not expect it at all, and also it passed by ay some other situations when it was dangerously close.
    It is not even that those bans matter that much as the atmosphere of constant fear and oppression.
    As well as the idea of forum owners that just to get in you have to prove your worth to join this cult.
    Unlike some may believe this is not to reduce the amount of spam or trolling it is to torture you on purpose.

    >>36586
    yes some time ago it was true, but now they all (or almost all) got on pixiv(most breaking pixiv censorship rules lol). as being on lolicit as an artist is not really worth it because of all that very limited userbase.
    as a user yes, it is totally worth to have access there because you can find some interesting stuff.
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    @ No.36590

    Pixiv is weird with their censorship. It seems like every artist there has different rules they follow. For instance, Drabok censors every image over there, there are some other note worthy artists I interact with who have personally told me that as long as the first image (The one showing before you open the full set) is censored, the rest don't have to be, and then there are some who just don't seem to care, and have never censored a single image. All the guys who don't censor who I follow are all still there, so I guess it just depends how far you feel comfortable pushing the envelope over there.

    Also, ya, Lolicit isn't nearly as fun as it used to be. At least for me. Most of the artists over there who are into my kind of roughness just dance around the margins of what I actually want to see, as opposed to this thread, where
    Drabok puts a fucking pin right in it and then cranks the volume up to 12.
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    >>36452
    This is a true masterpiece! Everyone on this thread should rush-order its large-format print, put it in a baroque frame, and hang it above the fireplace for guests to enjoy.
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    Those are exciting pics with my favorite girl, Lorin is looking great!

    The rape scenes are a good start, and the position they left her in is really mouth watering! It's very close to what I had in mind. Fully exposed, still not quite believing what's happening to her, and knowing whatever comes next won't be good for her. I like the gag too, I think it's looking much better this way than earlier in the story with just those balls without straps. I can't wait for her torture scenes, this is going to be amazing!
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    >>36590
    >>36591
    I mean, it's not like I'm the biggest fan of the system on lolicit. I very much prefer free access for everyone like on gurochan. But we can't really be picky these days, and it's just a fact that there are no other sites for this content. And gurochan has a lot of problems and nothing makes me believe it will get any better. I would prefer gurochan to be the site for every artist who makes stuff I like, but currently I can't really recommend it to anyone who isn't already here, instead I'm worried it might just go down again and not come back.

    And of course I prefer Drabok over any artist on lolicit. Just like Zippy said, they are often skirting around the really interesting stuff, while Drabok actually shows it. But that's not just lolicit, that's everywhere - Drabok is the only artist on gurochan creating something I really care about, and before I discovered him I was here maybe once a month, at most. It completely depends on personal taste if you can still get something good out of lolicit. If bondage, rape and torture without serious injuries is good enough for you, then you will find plenty of material on lolicit, not just old material but also frequent updates by a bunch of artists. If you need serious injuries or snuff, you will find some material, but you shouldn't expect to get anything new very often.

    And yes, there is some overlap between pixiv and lolicit. Pixiv has a bigger audience, while lolicit allows uncensored pics (some artists are getting away with that on pixiv, but certainly not all of them) and lolicit is a real community. I'm sure Drabok is getting much more views on pixiv than on gurochan, but this is the site where we are discussing, giving feedback and making suggestions, while on pixiv there aren't really that many comments. I think while most japanese artists are only on pixiv, almost every other 3D lolicon artist is also on lolicit, and there are probably more of them only on lolicit and not on pixiv than the other way around.
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    First and foremost, my experience doesn’t come from artwork but from modelling for 3D printing. But There are parallels.

    Aside from the “normal” software you find when searching for 3D modelling software, you might want to look into the following:

    For modems That are built from geometric shapes, i Used OpenSCAD a lot. It’s basically a programming language to describe 3D objects with boxes, cilinders,…

    For stuff you want to digitise from a real world object, you can still find 123d from autocad on the web left and right. It creates 3D models from photographs from different angles. Great if you need a model of a tool like a hammer or knife.
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    The openformat is great, but always such apain to post, but at least I can eventually find an exit node that isnt blocked here, Pixiv blocks tor altogether, so I rarelypost there, plus the extra step of having to censor all my work is a pain as well. Lolicit is where "most" of my work goes, but I try to stay topic relevant, if it has olis it will go to Lolicit, if Granny's then here
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    >>36616

    If your concern is about gurochan stability I would recommend for Drabok and other artists to register on a new site
    baraag.net
    which claims to be free of censorship and allows any kind of fictional content

    */
    Freely share all types of art. This instance welcomes loli, shota, fan works, graphic violence, and any sexual depiction expressed as a piece of fiction in subject or setting.
    ✅ Uncensored 2D drawings & 3D models
    ✅ Zero guidelines on fictional characters
    /*

    I don't like its interface, (pixiv is better) but I think it would be a pretty good backup alternative and some extra feedback as well.
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    >>36642
    I had to check out baraag.net again. I did that once a few months ago when it was mentioned somewhere, and I didn't like anything at all about it - and of course there was no content worth mentioning either. And it doesn't look like that changed. Lolicit just has the big advantage that most relevant artists are already there, and I think they are happy with it.

    It's up to Drabok if he wants to give lolicit a try. You really dislike the way they are handling their site and it seems to be unacceptable for you, I don't like it either but I can accept it, he clearly doesn't like it either but I think his security reservations should not really be an issue. I just think he should check it out himself to decide if it's a good alternative if gurochan goes away. And also because I think he will find content he actually likes as a user there.

    Btw, I just checked: Your content is also on lolicit, posted by somebody else of course - most interesting content on pixiv also ends up on lolicit eventually. While I wouldn't say you have a large fan base there, there were a few positive comments, so at least you have some fans on lolicit (and artists who post their own content usually get more comments). I don't know when you were on lolicit the last time, but if you still have access it might be reasonable to check it out again.
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    >>36651
    Damn those thieves! LOL I guess I have to give them a visit and kick their butts LOL
    I ignored them for a few years, but my account should be still available unless they banned me in my absence. It is just way too hard to avoid getting into discussions.
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    Concerning the lolicit discussion: It's possible that I will join there one day to have a look around. But it will probably not be as Drabok at first.

    Baraag.net could be a refuge it seems, but as long as gurochan.cx still works I'm too lazy to post on another site.

    >>36542 I think that picture does show that trying to do tears with 2D-Software as postwork does not necessarily produce better looking results. And I guess it's much more work. But maybe GP was just a bit too ambitious with the teardrops at the end of the runs. Just some simple highlights mimicking reflecetd lieght might have worked better.

    Concerning the tears and props discussion in general: You have to understand that in Daz Studio, apart from human characters derived from the given base figures, only very primitive props could be made. To do professional work a content creator needs other 3D-Software. Which means a creator has to learn how to use it. And to learn about how materials and surfaces work. In my estimation that takes at least as much time as learning Daz Studio itself and creating scenes with it.

    Besides I think there are also wildly different skills involved in creating different props, like tears versus clothing versus architecture versus instruments and so on. All the content creators seem to specialize mostly in one category of item.

    So for me it's a conscious choice about how I want to invest the limited time I have for this hobby: Do I just use what's around to create the stories I want to tell, even if the pictures are far from perfect?

    Or do I want to learn about additional software, create my own props and then make much better pictures. But only a few handful a year?

    Well you know my personal choice: it's clearly the former. And yes, even mostly just using things that are around I am still making compromises in quality in order to produce many pictures instead of just a few.
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    And that choice also allows me to make another update today instead of sometimes in April or so.
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    And there's still a lot of rape to go through.
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    I am not apologizing for it.
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    It's simply a fact of life.
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    In the Drabokian universe
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    If you wonder why there are so few black girls in loli 3d, I think there are three main reasons
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    First there are far less dark skinned girls created than white girls or even asian girls. And for some reason at least for me they are harder to "lolify", often turning out ugly when I try to do it with simple methods
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    And I also find that they are harder to light, like this picture shows. A brighter lighting makes them immediately look lighter skinned too.

    At the same time sometimes you need a brighter lieghting to make what's going on visible.
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    The same effect, if maybe not quite as obvious, happens with my ideally caramel skinned latinas too
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    >>36725
    Yep,I agree on that not only in 3d but also in real life.
    this is why dark skin is less beautiful than white because you practically become a formless ink blob where almost nothing is visible unless viewed under extreme light.

    But slightly black girls do not look that bad especially if you give them normal white body and face forms.
    You dit is pretty well and she looks fine but I think lips are a bit too accurate ;)

    >>36725
    Didn't I mentioned this to be some super-secret military base?
    It must be some of those superweapons of mass destruction LOL
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    >>36725
    Oh, but she is lovely like this. I would love to see her swing.!
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    >>36725
    Kensey looks pretty attractive, in this pic with the lighter hues. Jeez, the mercenaries are having so much fun with the girls currently "in progress."!
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    It's the expected preparation for Kensey, similar to Lorin, and I'm never going to complain about rape. Her position suggests she will hang in the end, it's just not clear what else is going to happen to her. I'm much more anticipating Lorin's torture session, but this might get interesting if they have some good torture tools prepared for her.

    About black lolis: I can see those problems. I'm interested to see a cute black loli as a victim, just because that's so rare. But Kensey isn't really that cute, she is a pretty girl but not as cute as some of the other girls.

    So we are going back outside to the death candidates after getting those teasers. No complaints here, Nina and Julieta are still among my favorites and more rape and torture is always nice!
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    My favourite girl is Tasha. Looking forward to see what else happens to her.
    In the meantime…nice update, Drabok.
    Thank you for it!
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    I too can hardly wait to see the dried cum crusted Tasha to be further raped and tortured. One of the other girls should be made to lick her clean and then they can be raped together. A good fisting might be too much for dear Tasha. And her tits are just too good to ignore. And she is hardly in the position to say NO!!!
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    given thats its Chinese new year have the guys not got some fireworks. I know where I would put them!! Tasha and Lorin would be good holders!
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    Obviously I must be a little bored.
    But Drabok I would love to beg to have Tasha kicked brutally, cunt and face and pushed in the tits
    Could we even commission 'extra' hits?
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    this would just be mindless violence for no real reason by a couple of the guys in passing.
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    >>36725
    In indoor settings it might help to use more smaller lightsources. That way you still get enough illumination so you can see everything with less light falling directly on the characters. This probably means you need some wall light props though. Torches, industrial lamps, …

    No idea if those are easy to find and use, but it would help with dark skin tones.
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    >>36725
    In that picture a wall lamp left and right of the device (not too close) would allow you to make the lights in front of the girl less intense (and her skin darker) while still illuminating the scene.

    Another thing you can try is moving the front lights further toward the side. This would cause less of the light to reflect toward the viewpoint (camera point - whatever its called).

    As you can see from the awesome schematic i Made, moving the light to the side makes the reflected “beam” wider. Since the camera’s “eye” Stays the same sozen, but the light is spread out more, less of the reflected light hits the camera, while still having the same ratio of shade to highlights.

    This way you would see the details with less influence of the colour of the light source, and thus a darker skin still showing shadows and highlights.

    And yes, I need to work on my drawing skills :p
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    >>36778
    Size, not sozen. Auto correct is weird sometimes
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    >>36778

    Bigger so you can actually read the thing (I hope)
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    >>36780

    wow man i love your art style, are you taking commissions by any chance?
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    >>36777

    I think that Drabok is already aware of all that stuff after making pictures for several years. :)

    But there are some mistakes in your suggestion because using 2 point lights the is a pretty bad idea as you will get 2 nasty shadows so instead of 2 lights a light plane/sphere is used.
    It will not help with skin tone, because the skin has certain translucency so you will need to do quite some tweaking.

    Not sure if Drabok already knows that but I recently found that using spheres for lighting is the easiest solution because you do not need to orient them every time you move them.
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    >>36783

    Sphere or directional lights doesn’t make a difference as far as the diagram goes. Only the light that reflects counts really. And the lighter skin tones do come from the colour of the light source.

    Light planes are useful for far away light sources (the sun mostly), and you can angle the plane for the same effect.

    This won’t totally eliminate the skin getting lighter, but it will lessen the effect.


    And using lights on the back wall (opposite from the lights “behind” the camera) will give the indoor setting a more logical (by lack of a better word) feel. More symmetrical, more like you would light a room with wall lights in the real world I guess? A setup with lights along one side of the room means you are always hindered by your own shadow.

    Anyway, it’s all tricks to get less light without loosing much detail, and less light means less variation in skin tone.
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    >>36784
    It is hard to understand what do you mean. do you suggest to light the room with brown light to make girls look black? LOL

    Instead of that setup which gives undesirable multiple shadows, you can just use a big invisible light ball that illuminates everything without hard shadows on the walls.


    the main ide in this situation is how to get good illumination which works from all positions and all camera angles without too much adjustment
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    This question's probably been asked to death, but does anyone know a good place for free daz asset downloads, or torrents?
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    >>36798
    This must be a new way of trolling bt derailing threads.

    if you want to discuss irrelevant 3d rendering stuff, there are other threads for that.
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    >>36727 Onix, for my taste dark skinned girls are certainly not less beautiful than white girls in real life. Which makes it more of a pity that they are hard do do them justice to in Daz Studio.

    >>36780 Kardin I actually did use a light setup quite similar to your schematic in the cell scene with Kensey. But with iray rendering machine the skintone still changes in the 3D-pictures depending on the brightness and colour of light that falls on her, no matter from what distance or direction.

    I think in real lfe our brain would correct for what our eyes perceive because it knows it's the same person and she cannot change skin color from one second to the next.

    Maybe there are more sophisticated rendering engines then iray but it's the one I am staying with for now.

    And thank you Onix >>36783 , yes I have learned one or two things about lighting by now. Even if there would be much more to know.
    One thing I am doing differently from you is setting up the lights for a sequence, especially indoors. I used to look for a setup too where everything was visible without changing anything for later images. By now I am moving the lights without scruples, kind of like a photographer, to light up what I want to be seen and still have other parts of the picture in shadows for contrast.
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    And now let the show continue.
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    OK, writing something to accompany a picture really is the key to avoid the flood detection block.
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    So maybe I can tell you this if you are technically interested:
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    With iray/Daz Studio it's not that hard anymore to make something glow somewhat realistically (compared to how hard it was with poser).
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    But the light a glowing object sheds looks grainy, if the object itself has a low polygon count.
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    Like it is the case with these branding irons.
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    But I don't think that detracts much from these pictures.
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    Because the glow is mostly a symbol to make you viewers aware, that, yeah, this girl gets burned. I don't know if in reality, the light shed by a hot iron would actually be visible on skin.
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    And now I have run out of things to say for today.
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    Rape and torture at the same time is great, and I just love the burning iron as a torture tool because it's so painful! And poor Mia thought they were done with her, but dying on the cross takes so long, they have plenty of time to torture her some more!
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    >>36842
    This is how i like things.
    Finally at least someone is enjoying all that action :)
    no need to be grumpy when you have such a good toys to play.

    although not that old guy looks like 12 year old buy.
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    Yes Great Burn Mia's nipples off with the branding iron. Or just destroy her entire beast. Brand their faces also
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    >>36843
    Nina knew the creeps were gonna' kill her soon, and yet she missed several opportunities to clamp down on the old guy's pecker and tear it off with her teeth while she was being burned. Oh well. She'll regret it soon enough. I know the CDL girls would have done it!
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    Let's give Mia some nice burn marks on top of her whip marks! Just give her a taste of everything that's done to every other girl around her, keep on torturing her!

    And when we move on from the latinas, I can't wait to see more of Lorin! Tasha was also left in an interesting position, surely they won't just ignore her for too long. And finally, I wonder how long it will take until we see more of Jessica, it has been a while.
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    6081653
    Okay, need a little advice from some of the more seasoned posters here. I've been working on a little treat for this thread for about the last month, and it's almost done. It's a video presentation of Drabok's early classic work, which I've titled "Sarina's Hell / Quill's Heaven". The video has a sound track, all Drabok's dialog, as well as some additional dialog to make it flow better as a video, and best of all sound effects. Meaning whip cracks, beating, choking, and most importantly SCREAMING and crying sounds. I think you'll all dig the fuck out of it. It's going to be around 30 minutes in length. The image is a little poster I threw together.

    Don't let the poster cloud your judgment. I did that in about 4 minutes, and know it's kind of junky. The video is top notch stuff.

    That's where the problem comes in. Where can I post this thing to share it with the thread? I was thinking of posting it a Lolicit, and sharing the link, but I don't think Drabok wants his stuff there, and as everyone knows, he's not a member anyhow, so he wouldn't be able to download it, and I think he'll get a kick out of it. Any advice would be appreciated.

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