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It might be helpful to everyone, to pin this thread to the top of the AI board.

>It's not just realism itself that's the issue.

I totally agree. Have been thinking a lot about the "photo realism" problem,
so I'll give a definition a try, just to make it a bit easier hopefully.

First of all, we need to look at the fact, that "Is it real?" is the topmost of all rules
on GC, not only regarding AI, but everything. If it is real, you're out. full stop. ... but
what is the spirit of that rule? (yes, I am one of those).

I think that a real photo of a pot of coffee, a landscape or maybe even an animal is not very problematic,
but still unwanted. There is the lower "does it interest us?" rule. In my opinion a real photo
of something completely harmless may on very rare occasion be tolerated, if it does contribute in
a meaningful way to the board and can not be substituted otherwise.

In general, anything real has to go.
"real" meaning, an actual photograph or video or even if one of those was just used in the creation of something else.
A celebrity-fake that has been altered with an artistic photo-filter to look like a painting still counts as real,
because the real thing was part of the process creating it.

Now here's where it gets complicated especially with AI.
If AI is used to alter something real, or during the training process something real was used,
the above of course applies. For the most part, we don't know if that happened, often maybe even the artist creating
something with AI doesn't know. This is just a point for arguments sake.

Most of the time, AI creations are not real and do not even contain parts of something real.
That is, where the term "realistic" / "photorealistic" becomes important.

Even though it is NOT real, or based on something real, could it be mistaken for the real thing
by someone of sound mind who is not sympathetic to our interests outside of Gurochan?

If so, it counts as realistic.

Now, the problem especially with good (well made) AI videos is, that you may have to take a longer look at it,
to find some proof that it was made artificially and still doubts may remain.
That means, that videos and particularly the preview images of those can be problematic because they can easily
be mistaken for the real thing at a quick glance. And that means those can not be directly on Gurochan.

The same goes for images. (!) Uploading the video elsewhere and posting a photorealistic preview image on Gurochan
still puts something of that nature on the board.

Naturally the same is true for images that are not related to videos.

All the above mostly concerns AI creations, where a realistic art-style is used in creation, but we're seeing more and more of those,
since many people like that very much.
What to do?

You want others to enjoy the art you created, that is absolutely understandable.
If you are working with a realistic art-style, using AI, you are a bit on thin ice, when uploading to Gurochan.

But you have options:

1) Use content, that can not be misinterpreted as something real. e.g.:
A Dragon, devouring a Girl would not be mistaken by anyone of sound mind for being real, no matter if it is an image or a video.
Be creative. Straight shootings, beheadings and so forth will be a problem. Zombies, Orcs, anything fantasy will not.

2) But I don't like fantasy, I want something realistic... sure. Many do. Upload that on a different host and post a preview here.
You can also do that with images, not only videos (!) Put on some elbow-grease and create a preview, using a different art-style,
showing the content to expect. Let's say you created images or a video of very realistic looking shootings.
Take a single image and run it through a manga-style art filter. Post that image as a preview. OR leave the style,
but put something IN the preview image that makes 100% believable, that this was made using AI.


Lot of work? Maybe. But remember that this is only necessary, if your creation falls into the category "photorealistic".
If you want to show those creations, put in the effort, or run the heightened risk to have them deleted.
Nobody wants that!
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