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>If you're saying these events that are part of the public record didn't happen, you're straying into the kind of thinking of Holocaust deniers...


no, what I am saying is that it is not possible to tell that easily what was the cause of those deaths
same as in the island where capitalism killed plenty of people to holocaust itself which also possibly result of capitalism.

or alternatively, it all may be the natural reason like who do you blame collectivization if this can be some other reason as well.
finally, even if we blame Stalin for some deaths people who died are those who opposed state policy and it is totally natural that is you do not obey the law you kinda get killed by the government.

In that way, everyone who is ever put in jail is just as same as those who ended in gulags.

>So you're imagining a world where people can just be assholes, walk into your house and take things, kick you out of your own house if they're stronger, where anyone can do whatever they feel like, because nobody will ever be punished for breaking a law because there's nobody to enforce any rules.


you got it wrong because you are looking from the capitalist perspective where someone invading your house is an infringement on your rights.

but from the communist perspective, your attempt to claim ownership if that house and prevent other people from using it if infringement on their rights to use whatever they want

in fact, this is all totally fair because you also can enter any house and use it anytime you like
and you will not be breaking any law or even moral rules by doing that.
obviously, there must be some laws to prevent vandalism or abuse because while you can enter any house and use it for free if you burn it or trash it you will be punished.

in that words, you should not even think about owning anything ever, just like you do not think about owning sun today. when you work you work not because you need to work but because you want it and because working is fun.

if you like gardening you do gardening if you like doing art you do art if you like doing nothing at all you can lay down all day and do nothing but snort cocaine until you die.
however, you can't own anything you cant force anyone to do anything that is not fun.

Just do not start accusing me of being unrealistic, because this all depends on productivity and even while productivity is very high it is still not enough for communism to happen today, we need to increase it a bit more.

Communism is just target where we are moving naturally with increasing productivity, not what you achieve by force.

Communism is also far more efficient than capitalism because you do not need that many products if they are not owned.

>That's a pretty weak form of "value", is what I'm saying. You like something, but you don't want to have to go to any effort or sacrifice to get it. So if you weren't able to get it without giving anything in exchange, you would just do without. That doesn't sound like you like the art THAT much. It also in no way acknowledges the time, effort and practice an artist goes to in order to produce interesting art. I simply don't get any sense that you really feel much value in artists or their work.


like I already said you made this art for yourself, not for me. I never asked you to make it neither I really care, then why I have to compensate you for a that? wouldn't you like to ask compensation for you farts as well? you kinda made some effort to produce that too.

All that effort which came into producing your art was for your own pleasure and your own needs we as other people just come by to take leftovers. We want to you to produce more put paying for your work would change out relationships because now you are not working for your own pleasure but because you are my wage slave who is producing what I desire not what you desire.
In that situation all those skills you acquired are no longer yours but belong to your customers you are not human but just tool for producing stuff.

You can ask for money however if you do that you should do it in form of donation where people give you money not because they pay for your work but because they want to please you as the artist without expecting anything in return except that you will be in the better mood and produce more stuff. the money you get it totally unrelated to the art you produce you use your art to make people like you and people give money to you because they like you not because they like your art

Under capitalism, donations also can exist but in that situation, their goal is to provide you with extra income so that you do not need to spend time on some crap job but can focus on your hobby.
this is like local communism where other people provide you with the environment where you ideally do not need to care about other stuff but focus on doing what you like without any contracts or obligations.
you cant tell anyone how much you want to be paid but nobody also can tell you what they want you to do or how outside of suggestions.

This environment is proven to be most productive for creative professions.
because when you work for fun your productivity is far greater than slave labor.