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>We're nowhere near a point where that will become viable.


I totally agree but what matters is not where we are but in which direction we are moving. because you can either work towards that star trek future with abundance or you can go in the opposite direction and try to create artificial scarcity to preserve market as they did in the middle ages.

if you think like communist you will try to move as many stuff from the marker into infrastructure
as for example, there is no difference how many people use roads or water supply or internet so it makes little sense to take a fee for using it
you can just fund it all by some tax and provide it to everyone for free.

>Yes, at the very least my right to privacy. Or the right to watch a TV show without someone bigger and stronger walking in and changing the channel. Removal of property rights is inherently a reduction in personal security.


well sure there is some common sense but it depends on the situation as well I believe someday in the future it will not be uncommon when someone will break into your room rape your wife chop you into pieces and burn your house, and then you just bitch about being interrupted regenerate everything and continue like nothing happened

in fact, I even believe that at some time criminals will be pretty respectable people because by murdering or torturing you they will provide entertainment for you and other people as well so being attacked by someone will be just as desirable as being approached nicely today.

worse will eventually turn into something resembling a movie so villains will be just as necessary as heroes.

>In practical terms this simply means whoever can overpower someone else can claim any item and dominate its use. Do you want to use your neighbor's ladder? Too bad, he's been working out and if he doesn't want you to take the ladder he can stop you. Is that against the rules? Too bad, no cops to enforce them.


no this not against the rules but being friendly is still preferable and while you can run around doing nasty things this sill end by being hated
in fact, you can even keep your private property if you want because who cares or never let anyone in some house but they will be seen as some retarded asshole.

the main idea of communism is that you as limited humans have limited ability to use things, you cant live in more than one house and you can't drive more than one car at once also you do not drive the car all day long

if we abolish ownership and just let everyone to use everything we end with the huge improvement in efficiency and resource allocation

It is something similar to sharing economy.
the main concern in communism is how to prevent vandalism and abuse because it will be bad if someone takes a free bulldozer and starts demolishing an entire city someone has to stop that retard.

Besides, that there are no fundamental problems.

>Punished by who? No cops are left in your world. Do you just gather a mob to make people behave? Now you're talking anarchy.


we can both agree that full communism is a pretty distant goal, and until that we will need to keep cops and forced labor of some form.
this is what we know as socialism when we have everything same as under capitalism but just a bit of communism in some areas.
sure you will need comps and not only comps but lots of other workers but instead of paying them wages you probably do it as community work when government distributes jobs to everyone while nobody gets paid anything since this work is like a form of tax for living in that community.

More or less like your mom demands you to wash dishes or mow the lawn and you are not paid for anything that. you probably will get some perks for doing some jobs.
it is not like that work will take too much time to make you too unhappy. I guess you probably could dedicate one or 2 days a week for doing some public service if you get everything for free.

>But to put it this way, if I made the art just for me, then there's not much reason for me to share it with the rest of the world, is there? Especially not if the rest of the world thinks of it as farts.


I already said that yes there is no reason for you to share your art and I have no desire to force you to do that either even by paying you money.

If you do not feel pleasure from the fact that other people like it if you do not imagine what other people do when they look at it and how they feel and it that does not make you aroused then there is no reason for you to share anything but you are missing a lot of fun.

I myself noticed that doing something for other people for free is a pretty pleasant thing for many reasons if those people respond well.

appreciation is just one of the rewards what matters more is not even appreciation of your work but the fact that other people share same values as you and lots of other stuff.

if nothing of that interests you I suppose you would be suffering along under true communism where nobody will pay anything to you for anything you do and you will be even required to compete for customers who actually want something from you.

One of the problems is that we do not need or want that much so there is just nothing to do with yourself. if you serve other people and you have empathy you can get lots of pleasure from stuff which you would not care about. Also, it works in same way as game quests work.


>And that just comes back to our earlier arguments where you simply can't understand why I wouldn't just throw all my art out there and get all that gravy in the form of appreciation from the person who thinks of it as just a different kind of fart.


You do that because it feels good this is the only reason.

it is the exact same reason why women spend an hour on putting makeup just to go somewhere in public.

there was even experiment done where lawyers were asked to help someone for some 10$ payment (while normally it costs 100$) or help for free and they refused to help for money but agree to pay for free.

same even worked on the referendum in swiss people refused to allow building nuclear waste storage in their village when they got paid but agreed to do it for free.

So do not underestimate the harm of money it makes your life pretty unpleasant. if we manage to get rid of money it would add lots of happiness.