>>7666
>If that's true, then that makes your claim of an end goal of communism to be even more of a fairytale, because there is then nothing in the real world to even approximate it. It's a fantasy based on wishes and dreams.


It is here already,
Even heard about GPL? linux/android system on your phone is based on communist principles. google makes it for free and gives to everyone who wants it.

the same art we were talking about before is generally available for free

All youtube is full of free information and educational videos or other content.


and even UBI is already available in practically all European states(they call it welfare), for example in the UK you will get up to 1000 pounds per month for nothing that is a horribly huge sum of money which is like twice more than even average wage in eastern Europe.
I even know some people myself who claim to work only for fun but not for money because by not working they would be receiving more income.

Why else do you think all those immigrants are invading Europe?
Even immigrants who come to the US, rarely work but live on the welfare.

by the way, UBI was available even in the Victorian times because aristocracy was scared to death by what happened in France when lack of welfare caused revolution and all aristocracy was exterminated at the level that put your anticommunist propaganda to shame. Executors were collapsing from exhaustion as they needed to decapitate hundreds of people in a day.

>Sure, it might be quite nice if nobody had to work for a living and we could all sit around living off our basic income for our entire lives, but that isn't happening now and is not likely to. You offer no real demonstration of a mechanism for how it could work, only some vague philosophical generalities.


yes, I totally agree on that UBI and welfare is the unsustainable system because it discourages people from working for the similar reason like you refuse to share your works.
It does not make sense to work when most of your money being taken away and given to some slackers you better just joining those slackers
But you already do not need to work for a living.

Currently, the government uses poverty as a way to encourage people to work. You are not required to work but you will be poor.
However, this system is breaking apart because getting employed will not provide you more income than the welfare system. Only an idiot will go to work today if you get more by not working.

Replacing current welfare with UBI may fix this situation because now, if you get a job you lose welfare and even pay half of what you get as a tax. If it gets changed into UBI getting employed will not reduce your income.


>Only you believe that, and you're not a credible source.

I am not a source for that, just look around and you will see yourself.
Everybody is talking about that.
Only think about the meaning of negative interest rates. What kind of sense that makes under capitalism?