>>9398
>You can't run a successful community with someone who seeks to silence every member until only trolls are left. I've actually SEEN THIS HAPPEN.

Freedom is not easy. Good things rarely are. The best way to deal with trolls is to find ways to work around them, not to abandon freedom. Struggling to be free may be more challenging, but it is worth the price.

>If I had to do that on every single community board, I'd get very very very tired of it. This is why I like being in places where abuse isn't tolerated.

What is to stop the community board from deciding that you've also become a problem? How can we trust them to decide who is worthy of respect who who is garbage to be thrown away? Just because there are people you consider garbage, that doesn't mean that only those people will become targets of the system you're endorsing. We face the choice between something easy and something good. If the most important thing is for us to not be tired, then perhaps we should take the easy option, but just remember that there is a terrible price to be paid.

>When you are in a private space like a business or a website–there is no such thing as free speech. Free speech is a distinctly American myth.

Free speech is an ideal, not a myth. It's a goal to strive for, something to guide our decisions as we try to make the world a better place.

>If you say something that is widely regarded as inappropriate, the community you're in has absolutely no obligation to suffer you.

That's why free speech is so rare and so precious. How wonderful it is to find an open and accepting community that lives by principles and fosters conversation rather than forcing everyone to fit into a pre-defined mold. The very fact that there is nothing stopping any community from forcing its members into submission is the reason why most of our world doesn't have freedom, and yet the best places to live are those places that are still free.

>wow what if you end up on the wrong side of that? But why would you? Do you not trust yourself to be kind?

Do you really trust the community to care whether you are kind or not? Giving up freedom means that it no longer matters whether you trust yourself, because you no longer determine the outcome. The important question now becomes whether we trust the people who have taken responsibility for sorting the worthy from the unworthy, since these are the people with all the power.

>That's really all it comes down to: Be kind and everything else falls into place behind it.

How is it possible to see trolls as heartless monsters and yet at the same time have this total trust in humanity? Moderators are human just like everyone else; they are not machines with kindness-detection circuits. They have their own selfish motivations and fallible nature, and giving anyone power on the internet is like begging them to abuse that power.

>>9401
>The only weakness I suspect is that those female-controlled communities seem to be separated and spread across the web.

That is the natural result of kicking out anyone you don't like. It forms these tight-knit insular little communities that are sometimes called cliques where everyone is forced to conform under threat of being kicked out. The upside is that we get a perfect community where no one has the option of being anything but exactly what they are supposed to be, and so no one ever has to deal with trolls. The downside is that it is a miserable existence.

>If mentioned female communities would unite, I am sure, they would outrun any male dominated community just by the numbers of active users.

Unfortunately cliques can hardly ever unite, since their fundamental operating procedure is about excluding people. To merge any two cliques would be to take away the power of the people who had been previously controlling their little groups, and people usually loathe to give up power.