I agree that this community needs to treat artists better than it has in some instances.

When artists advertise on this site with paywalled content, i would be happier if they did it in a way where they aren't starting a story and then asking for money to see the rest, but instead just give some unrelated examples of their work that can be enjoyed without seeing the paywalled stuff. But nevertheless, i don't think bashing the artists for the way they do things is a good idea. It's not against the rules on this site for artists to advertise for their paywalled stuff, and it shouldn't be either. And if you don't like these posts, just ignore them. Guro is a very wide field, there are lots of threads full of content i don't like on this site. So i just ignore those threads, it's easy. I don't pay the artists, but i don't complain in their threads either when they are just here to advertise for their payed stuff, i just ignore them.

Requests for artists: I'm mostly on this site for one artist and i'm posting a lot of requests in his threads. But i always make it clear those are just ideas, if he likes them and does them i'm happy, and if he doesn't, that's ok too. I think that's the way requests should be posted, never as a demand. You can demand something once you pay an artist, if you don't you can just post your ideas and hope he likes them enough to work on them. We recently had a discussion in that thread because he ended a very long story in a way many of his fans including myself didn't like at all. And i think we handled that discussion just fine.

There is one thing in this whole discussion that the anti-pirating side has to understand: People who aren't paying for art won't change that if the content wouldn't be available for free. Most of the stuff behind paywalls is still safe behind those paywalls, it's not like this site gets flooded with pirated content. If the artists aren't getting payed it's not because someone stole their content, it's because there just isn't enough of a customer base willing to pay for that content. And all that arguing how these artists deserve our money won't change that. Some don't pay because they don't have the money. Some don't pay because they fear the loss of anonymity once money gets involved. And some don't pay because compared to the content that's produced for free, the paywalled content just isn't worth any money for them.

You can't get the people who don't have the money to pay, and you can't get the people who want to stay anonymous to pay. The only way to get the people who are happy with the free content to pay is to take that free content away. And since most of that isn't even pirated content, that idea would essentially mean to take away the platform where artists can post their stuff for free - so close down this site and every other free site. It should be pretty obvious that this would damage the community far more than any decision on pirated content.

Overall one thing is pretty clear to me: When an artist asks for his stuff to be deleted, there shouldn't be any argument, it should just be done, without any further warning if he asks for that. But i have to say, it's kinda naive to expect that to happen without any issue if you are an artist: Once you have posted your art, it's out there, deleting it from one site won't delete it from the internet. I have seen the discussion among artists on a different site - access to that site is free but not exactly easy. And the content they posted for free would usually end up on a few different pay sites so other people could make money with it. The general consensus among those artists was that they just had to live with that and nothing could be done about it.

Without any request from the artist to delete his work, i don't think there is currently any need to delete stuff proactively. Certainly not if it's just a few pictures here and there, you could even argue that those are additional advertisements for these artists. There could be an argument when a sizeable collection gets leaked, even though that would almost certainly not just show up on this site and not on any other site. But i don't think this is even an issue at the moment. Just like the scenario with artists flooding this site with advertisements is imaginery, there also aren't any threads where recently pirated collections are posted to this site.

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This site exists because the community wants a free and anonymous platform. There are already lots of paysites out there. You are essentially suggesting to close this site, because you don't want a free platform to exist. This goes against everything this community wants, and that includes the artists. For example the artist reg mentioned on art who stopped posting after his art was shared on a different site - that wasn't about money, that was about a loss of anonymity. And anonymity doesn't work with a paysite at all.

Guro artists often care much more about their anonymity than about any money. And the same goes for other guro fans. That's one reason why it's harder to make money in this genre than in other genres, pirating has nothing to do with that - pirated content exists in every genre.