>>9523
>Morality is based in goodness, goodness is defined subjectively. My personal definition of goodness is acting with empathy.

It is a bit diffrent issue:

Because you are seeing artist as most important thing in this situation. Essentially you claim that people must worship them and serve them for no reason just because of empathy.
But the situation is diffrent on another side:
Artist is just as important as source of some kind of of content, the only thing we care about is how much of that content he is making, if he decides to stop making it he has zero value to us and no need to care about him at all because in reality we only care about his content not about him. Just like in the GPL community once you release your work that work becomes independent from you and you have no control of what will be done with it.

And looks like we have diffrent ideas about that. Because you care about people, I care about their work.


>I disagree. I don't think there should have to be a warning, we don't know the reasons an artist might request their work removed, so we'll act swiftly and remorselessly. Giving people a warning to save it just giving them a chance to download and repost. It would probably exacerbate the issue for the artist.

I did not expect you to agree but by saying it as "warning" I had in mind something like mentioning that the artist is requesting for this work to be removed before it actually gets removed and then delaying this process for a day or so. Not that "WARNING WARNING, This post will be deleted in 3 days Please store it's contents on your HDD" LOL


>Alright, well first of all: Pay me.
Do you at least have some public bank account or something to receive money?
Considering me, I believe I am paying somewhat with my work which is absolutely free. Other people are paying with their work of digging up various pictures of other artists and posting them.
And in fact if you need anything from me besides money I am totally willing to do it for you.
Yes, sure you can do whatever you want as site admin and the only thing I can do here is to express my opinion.


>If it becomes spam central around here and everything is an ad for an off site service, sure, I'd make up some new rules and be right with you on it.

I never noticed anything that happening in /art/ but it is pretty common in /3dcg/ where artists come, post few pictures from the story and then tell to come to their patreon page to see the rest of the story.
there is no need to delete those threads or ban those artists for spamming but other users should be allowed to express their dislike for that kind of behavior in any way they like.


>We don't do jack shit for artists and expect them to enjoy us ripping them off, and now we wanna start telling artists "Be part of our community, or else we won't enforce the rules?"
It is not about enforcing rules. The message is that if you don't care about us we do not care about you.
Just like artist are not obligated to provide anything to us we are not obligated to remove anything either.
of course we can do it if artist is nicely asking and giving good reason or you expect that he will come to this community but we are not morally obligated to do it.


>Someones gotta be the first to extend their hand and it should be the platform that hosts the art, not the artist.
If that is true then you should not care if that art comes from artist himself or from someone who just ripped it from his pay site ;) It is same art after all ;)


>First of all people who are willing to pay don't fucking care if their shit is shared for free, they're not LOSING anything if you get art. The money they put in is gone and the digital artwork they recieve has no resale value.
Again It is diffrent issue:
Because people who are willing to pay see paywalled stuff as something that has value unlike people who do not pay and thus all stuff behind paywall has no value for them at all.
If I do not pay I see no difference if artist who is asking money for his work decides to quit or continue, because I do not get access to his work either way his existence as artist is totally worthless to me.
If I am paying customer I am willing to keep that artist to be able to buy his stuff in future as well. This is why I will try to support that artist.
The goal is diffrent in both cases: Paying customers want to be able to BUY that stuff, while not paying fans want to get it for free.
nonpaying fans may even have more incentive to make that artist quit, because that way there is more chance that his works will be released in public by someone or that his place will be taken by someone else.

>Look, I wanna get where you're coming from but porns not water and porn thieves aren't robin hood.
And you totally didn't get it. Because For me it is not about stealing something, it is about basic principles. My ideology is totally diffrent from those "thieves"
Of course I can't do anything much by myself, but my goal is to make it impossible to live of of art of any kind of creative sell art or any kind of intellectual property.
Ideally I would prefer to get rid of all professional artists and creators and destroy that kind of job entirely so that amateurs had more space and incentive to work and express themselves without being crushed by professionals.
(on the long term I woud even want same to happen to every job. When you will be unable to get paid for absolutely anything you do. So you either do not do it at all or do it for other reasons than getting paid)


Compare that to open source Linux community. Imagine if we managed to destroy Microsoft and all paid software then the only choice woud be to use open source. People woud not be able to live without any computers at all, so they would still invest in open source. If windows or any paid OS did not exist linux woud have developed much faster. because all that funding woud have gone into Linux instead of Microsoft pockets.
Same here: if professional creators will disappear that is not a big deal, It will facilitate more amateur works. It was the reason why I got into that myself, I just got tired to beg other artists to do what I want and started making my own stuff. I have same recommendation for everyone else: if you can't get what you want make your own and this is way more satisfying that jerking off on someones else work. With modern technology everyone can do that and it is super easy. If more people will start doing it there may be even chance for cooperation and turning porn into open source when one picture or story is being produced by multiple people.
Also if paying customers will lose all their creators they will be forced to provide more support to those who work for free. Instead of buying content they will be forced to commission it and make it public.


Of course I do not expect you to agree with what I want, but please keep in mind that I am not just some typical hypocrite who whines about price or lack of money. I can buy those works I just refuse in principle. I am against this entire system of capitalist relationships. Otherwise I woud be silent and just look around for pirated content. It is about freedom and type of relationships after all, not about lack of money.
Fortunately I see that people on the gurochan somewhat share my idea, and despise those who are trying to make money by denying access to their works. Pirates are just conveniently helping my cause in tearing apart this system, making artists understand that attempt to make money that way, is pretty futile task, so other models are required. Regulation will not really help much, it will just bring on more hate and make this system break even faster.

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>>9527
>Thing is, people here are ungrateful as fuck, and feel so entitled to owning paid content, like what the fuck? Who wants to work for free lol

Being grateful for what? What that paywall artist is giving to us to be grateful for?
And yes people want to work for free especially when they are not allowed to work for money. They even fight each other for that right to work for free.

>It's not like artists don't release any of their paid content at all, most of their pages are full of previews, freebies and teasers.
You suggest to be grateful for preview pages and teasers? Maybe if you are masochist and love being teased then yes LOL
If artist is providing lots of freebies people are usually pretty grateful to him.