>>9530
Well Im in a car right now, so I cant type a full message like before. I probably wont get the time to though so Ill say what I can right now.

First of all, I understand what youre saying, I disagree but I still understand it. I get where were fundamentally different now, and I sont expect to make exceptional amounts of progress in terms of getting you to cincede that theivery is bad or changing your mind in the ethics of theivery.

If I understand this correcrly, you have an ideal vision of a pure artist, someone who works for free out of passion. You see pirating as "making space" for this type of artist… however I dont see how.

Artists who make works for free arent hurt by those who sell works, first off. People consume all the free work they can, and artist creating free work arent pushed out of spaces for doing it. Were talking about dislike pirating as a practice and an unavoidable reality, I dont see where the ideal free working creative and community oriented artist comes into it.

Paid artists dont stop free artists from working. They can just co exist. Paid artists dont even impeede on free artists ability to get attention– the currency of the internet. If you want art to be free, and you want a greater community of free artists to work together, you can simply quietly co exist along side paid artists building that community.

So pirated works dont help or hinder you in that. Infact, they likely hurt. If people are viewing pirated works, theyre going into places where everything is free and splitting the attention between creatives, free artists and piraters. Ideally, people who dont care weather their work is pirated or not as long as its good would be intrracting largely with free artists, who would benefit from the motivation of that viewership, would have the freedom to share site wide, would have universally better viewership, would have better conversation and community… Commenters on a site where all the work posted is intended to be free would comment knowing theres a much better chance their comment would be read by the original poster. Or knowing they can go to the source and share thier love of work.

I just dont see how stealing premium and private works help you, except in that it sabotages paid artists.

If the goal is to literally sabotage paid artists with the intent yhat they will be unable tobe profitable so that they will release all their works for free– I just see artists leaving guro. Its not like theyre going to look at the community that took away the oppurtunity for this to be their job and then begin to make them free stuff.

An artists passion and need to create is secondary to their pride as humans, theyre not gonna work for the people that ruined their chance to make hundreds or thousands. If you want to destrot the capitalist aspects of something, I dont think you do that by superceeding the market. Thats still just dumpster diving in my opinion.

You have to be self sufficient and come up witb a better market and economy of your own. Pirates are like hippies that still ultimately need capitalism to survive because they loiter at the backs of super markets and wait for kindly garbage people to feed them… the alrernative is hippies that raise trees on every street corner, making free food on public land, taking from the market with the ultimate goal of making a better marketplace where goods are exhanged without money, ideally becoming so robust that the market fails or only serves the well off.

In this case, anarchy rules already, people pay for art work by their own free will out of love, and all people are allowed in all spaces.

I still dont really get where this idea that stealing is good for the community of people who make free works comes from. Just let sleeping dogs lie. The market shouldnt push on the free artists and the free artists shouldnt push on the market. Its healthier if people who make works for free try to undercut the market by making various high quality works, rather than literally sabotage the market with piracy.

Again. I understand that piracy is a large part of our media here and that it is unavoidable, Im just still not quite seeing how piracy is "good"