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The global problem here is it is generally assumed that women are human beings and men are human doings.
so in this way, wen generally derives self-worth from what they do and men from who they are
so inevitably according to this rule all normal men are cucks by definition if they are trying to base their worth on their achievements, skills, wealth.

women, on the other hand, are human beings so all that woman has to do is just to exist nothing else is required from her and in that aspect, I am probably a woman too because I refuse to be a human doing. Either you love me for who I am or I don't care about you.(although this does not exclude doing something to please another person whom you like yourself. but not to make him love you more but to fell pleasure yourself)

MGTOW men usually are human doings and their main complaint is not that women don't like them for whom they are, but that "I did so much for her and she dumped me. How ungrateful"
But in reality, NOTHING wahst you did for your woman or children is worthy of gratitude. because you were supposed to do it for yourself, not for someone else. A woman is not an investment and treating her as such is plain prostitution.
no matter wahst you give her she owes you nothing back. (besides just being a nice person)

without that kind of mentality, you cannot become MGTOW in principle because you are already going your own way.
MGTOW is purely about the idea that "since I am not getting my reward I am not making an effort either. and rather do something else"

>By stating that only incels become MGTOW, you are just simply incorrect. Married men, men who fucked plenty but don't care anymore, men who have been burned, and men who have had success just as much as failure. There are all different kinds.

well, that claim is with a catch, (and I don't say that "only incels" )

by saying that every MGTOW starts as incell I mean that they were all incells at the age of 10-12 when they just started to develop sexuality and their sexual arousal was going over the roof but they had no way to get sex from girls. so they had to spend their puberty as incells until they finally somehow achieved what they wanted so much. This kind of experience turned them into human doings because they accepted the idea that to reach your goals you have to work for it.
even when they turn MTOW they usually keep that kind of mentality.

But there are some lucky guys who either look very good or just has luck to be in the right place at the right time when some girl either offred them sex herself or it somehow happened naturally without any effort what gave them the right impression that you are not supposed to work for it and it has to happen by itself.
those are better known as "bad boys", they do not bother making any effort to reach any goals or achieve anything because they are already at their best. bad boys do not become MGTOW they never get burned they have nothing to take from them they do not work do not accumulate wealth and all what you get from them as a woman is a pleasure and fun for which you will even have to pay yourself because that deadbeat can't even pay for a cup of tea.

But maybe you are right to some extent about incells because not all incells turn MGTOW. Some of them are actually unlucky bad boys who just categorically refuse to pay for sex but also lack any substance themselves to be attractive as people or simply lack opportunities to meet women.

This spawns another form of hate as "why I am so unlucky to be so unattractive" but that form of hate is uncommon for MGTOW because it does not even come to their mind that woman can love them for who they are they only expect to be loved for what they do and achieve.