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naw like in those circles it's very much about sex. Sure there's also subtext and theming but that only makes a scene richer. just look up the price of flesh on tumblr or rule34 and you'll see a bunch of women gooning over being tortured to death in a red room.
do you like… strike up a normal conversation before making it lewd? or do you lead with your dick? cause it's off putting to start with sex stuff without interest for the person behind it. that might be your issue.