>>14755
>You're missing the part where they acknowledge that it is nonsense and derive fun from that very fact.

They don't derive any fun from that. they obviously do it to ruin all that fun and derive "pleasure" from inability to have fun.

In that story dream gift you even requested it yourself to make a picture of Rin's internal world which somewhat resembles hell and in contrast her looks where she looks so happy. You also made one picture like that yourself with 2 views of expectations and reality.

>And what's wrong with that?
There is nothing wrong with that but In phycology it is known as "masochistic personality" or "self defeating personality"
because even in real life people very often do exactly what your characters do except that they don't acknowledge it so bluntly they just do it rather than bragging to everyone how stupid they are and ruining all fun.

>Although I'd rather say that it's not the suffering itself that they enjoy so much, but the way they are able to purposely do things that go against their own earnest desires, the agency it expresses.
And the label for that is "Virtuous masochist" (partially)

>Then why would it mean anything if someone (you) said they're worse? Your opinion is no more "objective" than theirs.
My opinion means nothing. I am judging your stories in terms of popularity and response you get.
Just like a movie that nobody is watching is shitty movie regardless what it is about.

>Yet somehow they do end up feeling that. Such mystery.
And how do you know what they feel?
how do you even tell the difference when people just want to please you or if they liked something else in your story and completely ignored the part we are talking about. getting any constructive criticism for your work is next to impossible, because either everyone is kissing your butt or ignoring you rather than telling what they don't like.

>It's the other way around: when they want to feel a certain way they consume art that makes them feel that way.
No it is not that way. yes you can act like a Hollywood studio and produce a story which is as empty as intergalactic space which has no meaning of any kind and probably you will please most people but that is not art, that consumerist trash.
Real artist will use his art as delivery vehicle for his propaganda and force consumer to feel mixed feelings by covertly targeting their moral values

And if we are talking about art in abstract way, why are you bringing your stories here or my opinion about them?
Do you try to send any hidden message to readers with your stories? dD you want them to change their mind about something or change their moral values? Or maybe are you trying to express your worldview?
Or you are just producing meaningless fapping material which one will read and forget 3 minutes later?