>>24873
No consent given under pressure is not consent and if you don't believe police may convince you a otherwise
threatening someone with the knife and pressuring them to give you your wallet will not count as consent
and even if you are a boss and you politely ask your secretary to suck your dick, nobody will believe that she did it consensually. It was obvious rape.

complaining about anime grosnes is already another topic which is good to know your opinion but also this "grossness" is exactly what I like and almost all of my characters are like that.I do get plenty of audience for that as lots of people like tsundere characters and you can't tell me to stop. I will just take into account that information for later not to make suggestions that you dislike and avoid unnecessary argument in the future.
Also this trundere thing is how almost everything world in this world works for non autistic people.

>>24874
This is happening because L explicitly mentioned that he does not mind such discussion
also it is not about being too weird or other stuff.
In situation with Aoi it is rather about deliberately making it logically impossible
It is exactly about deliberately writing total nonsense.

There are no complaints like that to L he just explained his preferences. and if any disagreements still exists is about definition of consent and other things unrelated to the story

>>24875
It is even funny to see how you confirmed absolutely everything I said yourself trying to frame it as if you disagree

>Stories like that bring me back to the carefree childhood where everything is so simple and the idea of impurity doesn't even exist in your world (which is where casual sex comes in), you just live in the moment without having to care about anything, and here that attitude is taken to the extreme where you don't even have to care about your own life.

yes! yes! exactly what I was always saying all the time and you just can't even gasp the idea that for the majority of people this is sickening. YOU told it yourself that you want it to be sickeningly sweet and that this is your "thing"
why the hell you are objecting when i am saying exactly the same?
If you want to indulge into that please do it. nobody will stop you but you will not find many likeminded people
almost nobody wants that innocent word without impurities. If someone does want it I woud love to see them and good for you. as finally you will find at least someone who shares your interest.

I failed to understand that in the beginning and made futile attempts to introduce those impurities into your innocent world because i falsely assumed that you just forgot or don't bother adding them yourself but when you told all this to me I instantly understood how pointless it is to even try to make any compromise, because we have exact opposite preferences and there is no point in even trying to say anything to you since my perspective is irrelevant.

> Visualize in your head a girl so innocent, no, a world so innocent that a girl can play at the playground completely naked and nobody bats an eye, not other kids, not adults, not her own self. The idea that it's something abnormal just doesn't exist in that world. Surely everyone can if not share then at least understand the appeal here?

No there is no appeal to me in any of that. It makes me sick even thinking about the world like this and i will guess that most people will agree. YOU yourself said that it is *sickeningly* sweet.
I want the world with action with constant battle between everyone like in the GTA or game of DOOM
I can just understand that this horrible world of death is appealing to you and it is your preference which I was trying to explain to L but without presenting it as something great as you do.
Now you explained it yourself
I hope this will finally end all this misunderstanding

L also explained his revulsion towards tsundere behavior and ended the misunderstanding

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Everything below is Just response to your response


And for the start if you say 2+2=5 in your explanation that's not an explanation thats idiotic bulshit. which can only be insult to one's intelligence, this kind of trope has its place where some character can provide obviously nonsensical explanation exactly as an insult to one's intelligence like saying "don't ask stupid questions you already know what it is."

>But if you're writing entertainment, be it action, humor or porn, then the further it is from real life the more entertaining it is.

This is exactly what i said about you you are scared of guro you violence makes you feel bad and you need to make it idiotic to make it super obvious to yourself
But this is not how things work for everyone I rather prefer it to be realistic and even going so far that I want my characters to represent real people and events that did happen.

and your comparison with GTA is plain stupid, because it is possible to do things in the GTA in real life yes you can't do that for hours but pretty much everything what happens there can be replicated in real life the only difference is that in the game you have no consequences.

I am not telling you to do the same but just stating the fact which you just confirmed and by according to your own hate of logic said that I am wrong.

I just don't get is why do you try to object to the stuff which you say yourself?

>And yet somehow when my characters die for stupid reasons, then it equates to having no reason and being idiotic. Go figure!
I said said reason not stupid logic.
it woud be one thing if you made a story where
girl wants her heart to be stuffed into her pussy without explaining why this is the stupid reason to die but perfectly logical she is trading off her life to her desire to have heart stuffed in her pussy. yes it is stupid desire but nobody can argue with subjective opinions one wants a Bugatti someone else wants heart in her pussy. both desires are equally stupid.
and when a girl wants her heart to be stuffed in her pussy to help her concentrate this is stupid logic and idiotic story because it will not help her concentrate. she is acting stupid


>Yes, and that's exactly what would allow a fictional story like that to function as a funny joke. All the while, if people actually thought like that in real life, that would not be a laughing matter.

It will only function as a joke for you to me the only reaction will be what a retard.
there won't even be any fun in that because there is no any hidden meaning. the only fun will be laughing at the stupidity or that person
and if you disagree then how about you ask other people what they think about it like make a pool or something where you ask if people enjoy when story characters do absolutely illogical things.
as so far I never notices anyone to compliment you for that everyone just endures it and tries not to mention while enjoying other aspects of the story
I wonder if you will find a single person around who is specifically interested in that kind of "joke"

>And here's more gaslighting, trying to imply my stories never have any explanation at all, while in fact they have plenty, sometimes even to the point of being excessive. Whether that explanation makes sense is a different point (and I've explained above why it doesn't), but one cannot deny that it's there when it constitutes huge portions of the story's text.

Thsoe potion of text are portions of bushit to insult inteligence not explanation.
If explanation does not make sense it is bulshit by definition no argument here everyone will agree on that
so what exactly are you even trying to prove ?
Like if I present you a proof of mathematical theorem which does not make sense that's not a proof.

>Two hunters are out in the woods when one of them collapses. He doesn't seem to be breathing and his eyes are glazed. The other guy whips out his phone and calls the emergency services. He gasps, "My friend is dead! What can I do?" The operator says, "Calm down. I can help. First, let's make sure he's dead." There is a silence; then a gun shot is heard. Back on the phone, the guy says, "OK, now what?"
>Now that I think of it, that's totally something the Kagamine twins would do in my stories, isn't it? But actually that's not the reason I brought it up, what I want to point out about it is how the joke is funny exactly because it makes no sense by real life logic. Misunderstanding the wording is one thing, but the guy supposedly wants to help his friend, if possible save him from dying, so there's no way he couldn't see that shooting him in the face would be counterproductive to that, yet he does that with no hesitation. This whole absurdity is what makes it funny.


First this joke completely does make sense by real life logic and just because you are such a nice you guy you don't even see how sinister it is, as that guy accidentally shot his friend and now operator is telling him how to hide evidence. the joke is how words can be interpreted in completely different way than intended
also it can be that the guy is just totally retarded or just blindly obeys what he was told genuinely believing that he is supposed to shot his friend to help him but that's not likely. and it is not absurd either because he is just that stupid.

I even did entire story on that logic where words say something completely innocent while images show what it really means which is essentially the tsundere logic to some extent.

Your interpretation of this joke just reveals your character which is sickeningly nice as you cannot even make up any evil scenarios even in the fiction, you always have to assume that everyone is always nice and helpful. And you cannot tolerate any conflict in the story, not even something as insignificant as Rin stealing Len's ice cream. or any negative emotions it always has to be only love and bliss. Which is insanely boring. Your characters are permanently stuck in that state of bliss and absolutely nothing will budge them out ever.
Basically your entire story is always just a description of some horrible things happening to someone along with description how good they feel.

>If the stories used the real life logic of why people kill themselves, they would become tragic instead of fun stories.

yes exactly I was saying that all the time and you for some reason try to deny it even if you just say it yourself, they are tragic for YOU because you can't tolerate any of that
nobody else will find them tragic because they can either separate reality from fiction ot because like in my situation there is nothing tragic in them because how the world works itself.
To you a girl who is executed because of not doing her homework is tragic while for everyone else it will be fun in the guro context because we are in the another world where value of the life is low and we operate from that perspective there.

and don't think i am forcing you to change to write different stories, but in general you will find very few people who are so sickeningly nice as you. most people prefer at least some conflict and discomfort. most people do want to be hurt a little and feel some bad emotions.

your fetish is not casual attitude. casual attitude is when I want an ice cream so I shoot the cashier and take it totally devaluing her life and people around just looks and say hey stop making noise i am talking on the phone!.

casual is pretty much the definition of most evil psychopathic behavior which makes normies shiver where you do evil things and don't give a fuck about anyone and also do not even give a fuck about yourself either. It is a world of freedom not a world of pleasure love and blis.

We can't do that in real world for various reasons but we can create fictional world like GTA where you can do anything you want except that this is porn version.

You are misleading everyone with the claim that you are into casual guro because you are not

>his very contrast between "casual attitude" and "crazy" is in the core of my "casual attitude to crazy" fetish. And then if you give an actually reasonable explanation to crazy, if you can go "yes, I can totally see this happening in real life, it makes perfect sense", then it simply isn't crazy anymore, and doesn't create a contrast with the casual attitude.

You are confusing crazy with stupid

If I say I want to jump from the bridge that's crazy. If i say i am jumping from the bridge to cross it that's stupid, If I say I am jumping from the bridge to get on the ground below (or to cure my headache) then it is weird but totally logical neither stupid or crazy.
Exactly as in my story where a girl jumps down because she doesn't want to walk and jumping great way to get down.
I this reasoning may looks weird but it just indicates that for that girl dying is less of the hassle than going down the stairs. and also as bonus she will not need to walk home. so it does make perfect sense