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    Recently I was reading some CosplayBabes vs. The Legions of the Undead and I realized that my biggest issue with those stories is that they do one hero at a time, so there's almost never any dialog. Dialog is by far the best way to give a character personality. That quickly lead me to an irresistible urge to write Lara Croft and Samus Aran teaming up to kick ass against a hoard of xenomorphs in some South American jungle ruins.

    I've already written most of the story, but the pace of my writing is starting to slow down as I run out of ideas. I can't honestly claim I have a good idea for what should happen to Lara Croft in the end. I was anticipating some sort of snuff, but I'm at a loss for a good way to have it happen. She's already been mauled a few times, so she wouldn't be walking away unscathed, but if I can't think of a good death for her then maybe it means some sort of victory would be better.

    As for Samus Aran, I think it would be very appropriate to have her killed by a xenomorph hiding in her gunship when she goes to leave the planet. Before that happens, I want her to be running around without her powersuit for a while. That almost certainly means she gets overwhelmed by xenomorphs until her energy runs out and they tear her suit to pieces. On the other hand, that's too simple. It would be a shame to defeat Samus Aran by just throwing enormous numbers of xenomorphs at her. There should be some trick to it, some plausible way she makes a mistake that leads to her defeat. Anyone have any ideas?
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    Thinking about the whole nuke from orbit thing, what about a mad dash back to samus's ship, xenomorphs hot on their tail. Does it gotta be a trap?
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    >>6079
    I've certainly considered having Samus just run away from the problem, but lately I've been thinking it would be more satisfying if Samus won this encounter. Running away is still an option until I've got a solid way for her to win.

    As for nuking from orbit, Samus never does that sort of thing. It's probably because most of her targets are deep underground. Lara also tends to deal with things that are underground, so really this story needs an underground solution for an underground problem.

    >>6074
    Bringing in things from Samus's universe is an interesting possibility, but it also complicates things. Phazon on Earth might be an even bigger problem than xenomorphs. She also only had her PED for one game, so including it is not a big priority.

    I'm beginning to think that a Tomb Raider solution would be better than a Metroid solution. Perhaps Lara could find some hidden mechanism or secret that somehow leads to destroying the xenomorphs.
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    Swarms of flesh eatters, small beetles in a giant pit. Lara swings over them, Aliens rush towards her just as the finer and more numerous swarm descends.



    Twist: the beetles mutate. The planet is covered in such bugs.
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    >>6084
    > Swarms of flesh eaters, small beetles in a giant pit.

    I really like that idea. There was something like that in The Last Revelation, wasn't there? At least there were little insects that could swarm and kill you, though I guess it wasn't much of a swarm due to hardware limitations.

    I must admit that I've played more Metroid games than Tomb Raider games, so I don't have full access to all the references I might use from the Tomb Raider games that I never played. I would have missed this one if you hadn't mentioned it.
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    I actually have never really played either except a bit of both at friends places and the like.

    My friend was tired so I wonder now, is it because it's too late to be up, or too early?
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    Is it AM or PM?
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    Personally, ive always referenced when the last time i slept more than just a nap. "Late" = i should go to bed, and "Early" = i should BACK to bed.

    But that's just me
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    I believe 'late' can only be stretched so far before there is some noticeable change in conditions. But I don't necessarily think 'early' is the next thing to come along. Rather, 'early' might best be mentioned in reference to earlier only once its later. Also, the latter part of later may itself include indications of the earliest early. Time yields it meaning by being suspended. So...

    ...'Early' and 'late' happen always at the same time. Only one, however, for us, with our language limitations, radiates at a time.

    OK, I'm being silly! ^v^

    How do you feel about idealism? Politics in general? Does it matter?
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    Are you talking about the US?
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    Germany^^
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    >>All just to combat their imaginary friend: the omnipresent fashism.
    >>It has become racist to worry about relatives and friends first.

    I think that's not what's racist... nor is fascism imaginary
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    >>6039

    I agree with what you've said, almost verbatim. But I must say that democracy, although it is a better system from the perspective of the common people, is just utterly ineffective without the proper political education and implication of all classes of citizens.

    I'm 20, living in Romania - a so-called democracy. The currently elected party is of 'Social-Democrats', a communist regime follow-up party that is interested only in plundering the country's resources and selling out for personal gain.

    Democracy, in my opinion, is just dictatorship enforced by propaganda. There is a well established ruling class and, although we can "vote" and apparently influence the outcome of the election, which puppet gets the mandate OFTEN, but not always, has no influence on the overall way the country will be ruled.
    That being said, I do consider democracy to be better than a straight dictatorship/monarchy because it allows for higher upwards mobility and more freedom of choice.

    >>6044
    >>6038

    Idealism, I believe, is something that is inspired and cultivated in people by society and religion. What I mean here by society is: the educational system, our parents, movies, media, comic books... It acts as the mortar of a cohesive society. Idealism provides hope and stability for the common folk.

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    >>6053
    If you talk about that kind of idealism I guess is must be a lie told to the children by adults similar to that lie about Santa.
    It does not provide stability but just brings very big disappointment when you find you that all your life was based on the lie.

    >>6049
    The problem is market size because you cannot just focus on your own country, To have good living standards you need big market preferably global.
    If Germany decided to close its borders and live on its own it would turn into the same shit hole as Syria without any industry or other advanced stuff.
    I think this is going to happen to the UK if it will finally decide to leave.

    I made a foolish and embarrassing mistake in a literature post. I somehow managed to get the names of the characters confused and randomly started calling a character by the wrong name.

    Should I just accept this blunder and move on? Maybe post a reply that apologizes for the error? Would it be appropriate to post the same story again as a new topic with the error fixed, and call it the fixed version?

    If someone has the power to delete the messed up version for me, it's called Space Goo.
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    yo same thing for me in PR I made a double post

    Info about the Netherlands.
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    *In Europe.
    *Very liberal, especially by Ameritard standards.
    *Known for drugs and prostitution.
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    *Fastest way from Berlin to Paris.

    What are the most horrific/disgusting comics you have encountered? (Western or Japanese, or whatever)

    I enjoy horrific/depressive themes where there is a total lack of hope, like Crossed, Hellstar Remina, James Herberts' the City, especially when there is a lot of gore.. anybody else like those themes?
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    I love Hell. No one comic in particular, but the theme of eternal damnation and total depravity.
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    >>5342
    How about Attack on Titan?
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    At first, "Mai-chan's Daily Life" was what I considered to be most extreme, then the "-Kankan Hime/-Princess Violation" series was on my most extreme list. But as of now? Probably Uziga Waita's "Doku Doku Gravestone" is taking the cake.
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    >>5342

    Almost everything from Avatar/Boundless. Nothing is too disgusting for me.

    what is word Gurochan means?
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    Originally I thought that chan is for the channel as on tv.

    But in Japanese "chan" is term for cute as example cat/kitty-kitten
    strangely the English language has no way even to translate that.

    Guro is probably grotesque "Gurotesuku" as Japanese people can't spell anything without adding vowels everywhere
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    from Wikipedia:

    Ero guro nansensu, frequently shortened to ero guro or just guro, (エログロ ero-guro) is a literary and artistic movement originating c. 1930 in Japan. Ero guro puts its focus on eroticism, sexual corruption, and decadence. While ero guro is a specific movement, many of its components can be found throughout Japanese history and culture.

    The term itself is an example of wasei-eigo, a Japanese combination of English words or abbreviated words: ero from "ero(tic)", guro from "gro(tesque)", and nansensu from "nonsense".

    from Urban Dictionary:

    "chan," usually used in the plural as "chans," can refer to the large array of English-language websites that were inspired by the japanese imageboard 2channel. The largest and most influential of the "chans" is the popular website 4chan , although there are many other similar websites such as 7chan, 420chan, wakachan, iichan, not4chan, gurochan, fchan, sidechan, renchan, and so on.

    Hello gurochan, i've been a part of this community for quite some time and now i'd like to contribute with a project for you guys.

    My idea is to make a game using the models from corta's plataformer from legend of krystal forums. My idea is to create a arena game where you are the owner of a gladiator training center and use girls as gladiators in the arena. Thats the base game. I plan to include lots of guro and sex using the mentioned models.

    For those who don't know Corta's plataformer is a game where you design your character and go through a world full of enemies wher you defeat them by battles or through sex. Other games followed this style like Simbro but none has guro.


    I plan to implement the game using HTML 5 and JavaScripit so everyone can play everywhere. I'm still learning so this will help me learn more.

    I need help with:
    -General Ideas for the game, anything you guys can think of, from names, characters, locations, jobs... anything.
    -Requests for animations
    -ways to integrate flash animations to Html and Javascript.

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    As much as I like your starting enthusiasm, it might be just that.
    Other than that, I like the idea. Might you link us pictures of the models you're planning to use?
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    Considering that Corta's platformer it looks quite horrible
    I highly doubt if you can create anything decent alone since all work mostly just models environment and animations while the game itself is not really important part.

    If you still want to do something like that I would suggest something very straightforward and short what you could finish in 2-10 minutes without repeating same scenes and same animations.

    For guro and sex game something like TROLLFACE QUEST or stickman series or Stupidella games would be very interesting and fun to play and not that hard to do.

    Considering animations the easiest way to create graphics is 3d rendering you can use DAZ or MMD. You can also flatten them to turn into 2d
    Painting everything by hand is quite a hard job even for a good artist.
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    I checked out the game you mentioned. It's quite good graphics wise, but the shooting controls drove me mad.

    >General Ideas for the game

    That arena combat scenario you mentioned sounds hot as fuck to me. As long as it is possible to fight then rape then brutally execute my enemies.

    Oh, a bonus level where you just slaughter female slaves for the amusement of the public and yourself would be god tier.

    >Requests for animations

    a beheading animation or a head bash with a mace, while the girl is giving you a handjob or after you come on her (one of my major kinks atm)

    The game you mentioned you could use assets from does a decent job with the kinky attires, but it could be better imo.
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    Also, maybe a finish her/them kind of sequence after you defeat your enemies - with them naked and begging on their knees. Some might even try to masturbate or lure you with their bodies (i'm probably drifting already into fantasy land) and you could either execute them or fuck and execute them.
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    Why not use a game engine like UE4 or something? A lot of them are free for non-commercial use.

    This link popped up a few times on my feed and I thought it was interesting "research" material:

    www.ranker.com /list/black-market-organ-cost/april-a-taylor

    Kidneys $200,000

    Kidneys are by far the most popular organ on the Black Market. In fact, a staggering 75% of the Black Market organ trade involves the sale of kidneys. Therefore, it's not surprising that they're also one of the most expensive things to illegally purchase. At approximately $200,000, most people who need a kidney transplant due to medical issues such as high blood pressure and diabetes won't be able to afford it.

    Sadly, less than a third of US patients on the kidney waitlist will get a legal opportunity to save their lives. Something worth noting is that the cost of these organs is much lower in China and India, where they range from $15,000 to $62,000.
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    In the name of ethics, make them suffer and drive up the price. We must have regulations so people can die legally.
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    If you trey to sell your kidney, you'll probably barely get 10% of what they'll be selling it for. That is...if you don't get disappeared.
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    2k moneys according to the god of butter.

    You have a dial from 0 to 100. Once pushed, it cannot be used again. You can:

    -Leave without pushing it, leaving it for potentially someone else.
    -Push it at zero, saving humanity from it ever being used.
    -End all human life.
    -Purge a percantage of humanity.

    DIVINE GUARANTEE! THE PEOPLE MURDERED ARE ERADICATED IN ORDER OF YOUR STANDARDS EVEN WITHOUT YOU KNOWING THEM. I.E. ANGELS KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM BUT HAVE YOUR MORAL CODE FOR PROGRAMMING.

    Save humanity from the worst 1 in a hundred? Leave just the best? When is it suicide?
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    >>5769
    >>5770
    I doubt it's only a handful of people.

    1. My entire country murdered hundreds of thousands, (maybe millions for all we really know) of Iraqis. Those lives were not a concern.

    2. We sold to Japans's enemies, so they bombed a military target. That justifies nuking 2 cities and firebombing counrless villages before that. But we'll bomb babies if their dads maybe sold to someone we don't like. And we pretend we're a shining city as we compare ourselves to slums we bombed.

    3. Well I could go on and on about the left right apathetic and center. Suffice it to say I'm so disgusted with where the goal posts are.

    Also, I should've stated in the OP that the culling doesn't deal "splash damage" (orbat least it's minimal) so they all die in their sleep over the course of a year or 2.
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    Given my history of self-hate, I probably couldn't set the dial to anything but 0 without killing myself...
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    >>5791
    Ah OK. Fair enough. Like a very mild deathnote then.

    Don't really have much to say on the "US military crimes" thing, other than to note that *that* is also most likely down to a relatively small number of people, especially in terms of total global population... (certainly not defending it)

    When I said "fucking it up", I didn't mean general everyday low level mistakes, occasional absentminded thoughtlessness, or fuckups through panicked attempts to deal with already fucked situations... more the institutional, malicious, greed driven, wilfully ignorant and hateful (etc etc) type crimes against humanity (as a concept) that make the victims' lives either a misery or unnaturally short and bring us all down as a species. The consummate cockends that we can all do without, and there isn't even a good "it's a dirty job that someone needs to do" argument for their existence or behaviour.

    Funnily enough there was a programme on the TV, when I loaded up a bunch of /dis/ tabs including this one earlier, doing a special report on the seeming resurgence of neonazi groups in Germany (a problem that's rising across Europe and indeed in the US as well, probably a reaction to how the shitty awfulness that we thought we'd managed to corral safely in our former colonies is now leaking back thanks to the ever more connected world we live in...), and, well... I think it would suffice right now to turn the dial to whatever setting would quietly dispatch them in a much kinder way than they actively wish upon the terrified, war-fleeing immigrants they've found to be convenient scapegoats for the rubbish lives they would have been living anyway. As if 100 people from *anywhere* moving into a city of 40,000 would make any material difference to the economic or welfare situation after 25+ years of industrial decline following reunification, or the fact of them coming from some particular part of the middle east that's had the living shit bombed out of it makes any difference to that.

    A number of the worst ones are now in jail (and psycho / sociopathic or just straight up stupid and emotionally stunted enough to still not understand what was wrong about, for example, complaining about being too poor to feed their children, and that they're worried about violence "following" the refugees (mostly women and young kids) as well as welfare money being spent on them *at the same time as* them taking the remaining jobs, and the corruption of trad German values and lifestyle by foreigners with their weirdo customs... whilst they're on trial for spending their limited money on Polish explosives, smuggling* them into the country, and using them to blow up translators' and lawyers' cars with timer bombs without knowing that person's schedule, building nailbombs that are then left on doorsteps and windowledges or even thrown straight through window panes into bedrooms, etc... and recounting this wearing, amongst other things, a "stolz auf dresden" T-shirt (I bet there were quite a lot of refugees from that city after it was pretty much razed in WW2) ... ugh), which makes them someone else's problem for a while, but there's still plenty of lower level fuckhead NNs around, and a whole lot of people who seem to sympathise with them whilst demonstrating a pretty poor grasp of facts, backing up their arguments with anecdotal accounts that sound suspiciously like they've been pulled straight out of their ass with no hope of verification if challenged, and generally basing it all in bitterness against a quarter century of governance that's neglected their area in particular and a whole load of general xenophobia left over from the cold war...

    (particularly infuriating being the assholes doing anything to try and rile up hatred, exactly the same way as they did 75 years ago... going on about how frankfurt now has 51% population with "foreign hertitage"... implying that this means white germans are in the minority there, when actually you can qualify for that category by having a grandfather who lived in a border town or was in an army division that was posted abroad and married an Austrian / Swiss / Polish / Hungarian / Czech / Danish / Dutch / Belgian / Luxembourgoise / French (...East European?) girl sometime during the chaos of WW2, and the great majority of even direct immigrants are from nearby EU neighbours...)


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    >>5847
    and as i'm tapering from one set of antidepressants to another at the moment, i'd willingly take that chance right now. there'd be a year to find out, and in any case I'd be asleep. Simply ceasing to be in the middle of the night would be OK at the moment.

    Knowing my general luck though, it'd take effect just as life unexpectedly starts to turn around.
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    >>5913

    Hell, even if we did lose a physicist or 2, we'd be better off overall if that physicist is such an ass that they're gone with neonazis.

    Moves, games, books, etc.?

    I adore Spirited Away and Princess Mononoke. Pulp Fiction. Cabin in the Woods.

    All wonderful films tha strike deep on infinite levels.

    I know, I'm a fan.
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    I love the Matrix and Quintin Tarantino!
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    >>5851

    Once a year I watch the three Matrix discs back-to-back. I'm actually a fan of all three films.

    Quentin Tarantino: I have seen all of his films (at least Reservoir Dogs through The Hateful Eight). Right now Kill Bill: Vol. 3 is stalled at "characters"; and Untitled Manson Family Project is a screenplay up for pre-production between now and 2019. So much for his announcing retirement a few years back lol. Nice.

    Amazingly, Miyazaki has once again come out of retirement for a new anime. Yus!:

    https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/12/studio-ghibli-reopens-for-hayao-miyazakis-new-film/

    In my orig post, I mis-typed this: The Conjuring 2/2. Meant the The Conjuring, and The Conjuring 2.
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    >>5838
    That's.... a hell of a combination.
    Curious question: any regard for any of the other Ghibli / Miyazaki films or other anime? Or just those two?

    >>5853
    Re: Matrix ... you're joking, right?
    Re: Hayao-sensei... SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (...I *knew* he wouldn't be able to keep his hands off the pencils, guy's too much of a creator to feel comfortable NOT making something). Though I thought SG shut down more because of a lack of funds than a lack of projects queued up for production?
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    >>5912
    "On August 3, 2014, Toshio Suzuki announced that Studio Ghibli would take a "brief pause" to re-evaluate and restructure in the wake of Miyazaki's retirement. He stated some concerns about where the company would go in the future. This has led to speculation that Studio Ghibli will never produce another feature film again. On November 7, 2014, Miyazaki stated, "That was not my intention, though. All I did was announce that I would be retiring and not making any more features." Lead producer Yoshiaki Nishimura (The Secret World of Arietty; and When Marnie was There) among several other staffers from Ghibli left to found Studio Ponoc in April 2015, working on the film Mary and the Witch's Flower".
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    >>5912

    I like his work in general, and even have an intense appreciation for what I have no interest in (I cannot relate to prepubescent delivery witches).

    Why do those 2 strike you as an extreme combination? Because those are his 2 best works?

    Share some of your fears why don't ya?
    One thing I'm terrified of is that if I ever had to defend myself from an assailant or if somebody I knew was murdered my "interests" here would be brought up in court somehow. Like some asshole would use my cartoon porn history to frame me for murder and get me locked up for life.
    >BREAKING NEWS: ARMED MURDER FETISHIST SHOOTS INNOCENT YOUTH AND ATTEMPTS TO PASS IT OFF AS SELF DEFENSE. FULL STORY AT 11
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    "The darkness inside myself."
    No, not the guro kind. I have a pretty good relationship with my own kinks, even if I don't want them publicly known.
    But the return of my depression? That endles, gaping hole of apathy slowly spreading, swallowing up everything. Not sadness, which I can deal with, but apathy. Losing my ability to care about *anything*.
    That terrifies me
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    >>5825 Same as OP...
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    I'm seeing what you guys have put, and all I'm thinking is wow, all im scared of is wasps....the vicious little bastards
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    >>5833
    Heheheh yeah that's where I'm at.

    Emotions and other abstractions are a concern for me but truamatic suffering is my "FEAR" as it's aptly named.
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    I sometimes wake up like I'm about to get my throat slit.

    I'm haunted.

    But I'm accepting some terror bit by bit. Just trying to stay strong.

    Enclaved said a few weeks ago that he'd be interested in implementing tags for literature stories, maybe even RP (that's a speculation on my behalf). I think that's a good idea, personally. He asked us to compile a list of tags, not TOO specific, but at least the basics so that the system can be tested out.

    I have no idea how he plans to implement it, but I would suggest the tags to be for each individual post, rather than thread. Perhaps if the base tags are well enough curated, there could be another field added when posting in lit. The actual tagging I suppose would work best if it's left to the author. BUT there are already a lot of threads and fuck if I know how tagging each of those would work.

    That being said, I should probably start the tags list:

    1.By number of participant, sex and domination/submissiveness. (two lower or capital letters would mean consensual)
    F/M=f/m=m/f=M/F (this would be one tag, no matter how it's written) -single male and female;
    F/m =/= M/f - 2 tags for dominant male or female;
    F+/m=/=M+/f - 2 tags for multiple (fe)males in a dominant role;
    F+/M+ - basically 1 tag for consensual orgies

    I can already see how this combinatorial sex/number problem will probably turn people away, but I tried to make it into a relatively manageable concept.

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    >>5768
    You are right, quite a lot of sites use that coding but not all
    http://www.bdsmlibrary.com/stories/code_explain.php

    But now I agree that your way is better and should be used here.
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    Unless you're OK with a separate post form field for tags, you gotta decide on in-subject format: [tag, ...] or (tag, ...) or [tag][tag]... or whatever. But I would rather have a separate field with tags delimited by commas.
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    >>5783
    If it is possible the best way would be to add an additional field where anyone can do editing and add tags.
    When the story progresses it usually gets new content, so there must be an easy way to change tags as well.
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    >>5784
    I think editing of tags could be feasible by using passwords. You can edit a post's tags if you have the password, same as deleting the post.

    IMO the best way to add tags would be on each new post.

    >>5783
    Yes. A tag subfield would be best. It could pop up upon pressing another button so it doesn't 'clutter' the interface for everyone who browses /lit/

    Do you envision a sort by or search by tag function,how would you implement it?
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    >It could pop up upon pressing another button so it doesn't 'clutter' the interface for everyone who browses /lit/

    A popup won't work, we need to support users without JavaScript, remember. I suppose adding a single input field above the post message in the form won't make it any more cluttered, and for viewers the entire form is hidden by default anyway.

    >Do you envision a sort by or search by tag function,how would you implement it?

    Sure, the ultimate goal is search by tags as on booru-like boards.

    I found this topic quite interesting but couldn't search anywhere. It's like a kind of vore but instead of stopping in the stomach you will be able to explore other organs like lungs, heart, liver,... Any idea?
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    magic school bus guro?
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    Giantess/exploration ?
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    the fantastic voyage?
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    Innerspace... er... guro-ish?

    I'm not sure if you can really call it that when it's been the subject of a PG-rated hollywood film. Though maybe if you make it a little less bowdlerised than the movie treatment was?

    Fridge realisation: hopefully the bad guy's podule got filtered out by the kidneys or liver / gall bladder or something, otherwise that could cause a lot of discomfort if it ends up returning to normal size after a time.
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    A subset of anatomy/size-play, I guess.

    Does she envy that I have my prwfereed liquid in a bottle? Does she wonder how it got there? Does she contemplate how unfair it all is, where it began, or how much I know? Do these pets of my friends think we understand thhe answers to queations we all have?

    Do they wonder if we're gods as we wonder if there is a god?? Do they wonder if we know why existence exists? So they wonder if there's innate meaning or purpose?

    Do they care?
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    They wonder if we're gods when they wonder if we can revive tjeir kittens, in some sense.
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    >>5291

    >While I believe that cats are not that far behind humans in abstract thinking abilities, but what matters is that cats to not have any reasons to think about that kind of questions as they lack the certain functions of the brain entirely.


    I believe they're pretty far behind on that, lacking a neocortex and all... but I do believe that they (and many other animals) have a sort of physics simulation 'engine' that enables them to to predict the motion of a falling object for example. This also *probably* allows them to understand cause and effect to e certain degree, though due to their inferior abstraction and inference capabilities they can't really do it on human level.

    >Animals do not have fantasies and they just do not even think about "what if" scenarios they do not create virtual worlds like humans.


    Most probably you are right about this - they can probably run simple heuristic simulations so that they can hunt effectively or perceive danger and get out of its way.

    >what is interesting that cats often ask for help some events I know are that cat came asking to remove fishbone stuck in his throat and other time cat brought her dead kittens probably asking to revive them or something.

    so they definitely see humans as very capable companions but they do not trust anyone that much and will not rely on you unless there is no other choice.


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    >>5294
    I woud not think that cats can have concept of god
    even if we are much bigger and far more capable, cats will bravely fight us to defend their interests or totally ignore us in situations when we pose them danger, so they obviously treat us as equals.

    >>5298
    >>they can't really do it on human level
    You overestimate average human level. LOL

    >>see us as helpful, ... see us as sources of help.


    I believe this is pretty much same thing.
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    They essentially see you as the head of their "clan" or "nest"... particularly with the frequency with which you find and share food with them, and regularly show dominance.

    As for the rest of it, probably not. Like a lot of other predatory animals, when not looking for something to eat, fuck or fight, they just sleep, or engage in basic social bonding behaviour. They don't think particularly deep thoughts, and don't sit around entertaining them. There's probably some kind of measurable consciousness there, maybe some flavour of rudimentary thought rather than just instinct, muscle memory and some basic information processing to tie it all together, but there's an awful lot of evolution between where they are and anything that could really class as language, abstract cognition, culture, etc. Including any kind of god-worship or trying to work out how you do the things you do, beyond simple imitation (which is the same as mama cat teaching kittens to hunt...). Crows, maybe even rats and some parrots are almost certainly smarter, in the terms you mean. A cat's head may seem larger than theirs but the portion of it given over to the braincase is actually kinda small.

    It's somewhat similar for dogs too, though of course their heads vary in size quite a bit, and their apparent intelligence and countenance covers a wide range. But the main difference in their behaviour vs cats is really down to their being domesticated from a pack-oriented, coordinated pursuit and team-hunt ancestor, with a distinct social hierarchy that is rarely open to challenge other than if the existing alpha dies of natural causes or misadventure, and a need to do some basic problem solving in coming up with new team strategies on the fly if the old way no longer works. Vs a clan/pride oriented ancestor that normally hunted solo, relying on stalking then pouncing, or chasing down startled prey over a relatively short distance, and with group leadership being a fairly ephemeral and sometimes frequently changing thing, with battles for dominance and sorting out the pecking order being a common thing, which is why otherwise docile cats can sometimes become a bit hostile... And they're also, strangely, more promiscuous; typically only alphas get breeding rights in canine groups, and any action betas/omegas/etc of either sex get has to be done on the sly... and you'd better hope the alpha couple are in a good mood, maybe already looking after their own pups, when your litter arrives. Feli

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    Cats have a neocortex.

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